# engine weight **URL:** \ **Category:** G2IC Archives\ **Created:** [April 4, 2003, 7:22am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/engine-weight/36387 "2003-04-04T07:22:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![system](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/system/32/1_2.png) [@system](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 7:22am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/engine-weight/36387/1 "2003-04-04T07:22:40Z")
yea i kno this question is kinda dumb , i want to kno if ne one knows how much lighter the b16a is compared to the b18b stock and stock… i kno its lighter but i cant find out their weights i was just hopin someone knew… yea i told ya it was a dumb question… thanks fo who eva replies…🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Ben\_Ogle](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/ben_ogle/32/70_2.png) [@Ben\_Ogle](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/Ben_Ogle)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 7:55am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/engine-weight/36387/2 "2003-04-04T07:55:19Z")
Maybe about 5 lbs difference. i have seen the B16 listed as 309lbs but I dont know what that includes. But, both are b series motors. So the only real difference in weight might be because of the shorter rods and deck height, which is probably made up for with the vtec stuff. Ben ---
**Author:** ![system](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/system/32/1_2.png) [@system](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 4:35pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/engine-weight/36387/3 "2003-04-04T16:35:51Z")
aiight kol i was just curious cause i gutted my whole interior im tryin to lose a lot of weight on the car, im takin out the whole power streing unit and a/c unit but i kno that wont to a lot but ehh who needs them :rockon: … thanks …:bowdown: ---
**Author:** ![Ben\_Ogle](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/ben_ogle/32/70_2.png) [@Ben\_Ogle](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/Ben_Ogle)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/engine-weight/36387/4 "2003-04-04T16:42:48Z")
> Originally posted by Milos > im takin out the whole power streing unit and a/c unit but i kno that wont to a lot but ehh who needs them :rockon: … thanks …:bowdown: AC stuff is heavy, so is power steering stuff. Click the link in my sig. I have all the AC stuff for EF’s in there and the DA weights should be close. Ben ---
**Author:** ![system](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/system/32/1_2.png) [@system](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 4:46pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/engine-weight/36387/5 "2003-04-04T16:46:01Z")
ahhh kol das a good thing to kno cause i was thinking that if i also find a plexi-glass rear window it will save a lot of weight but i dunt wanna make the back tooo light compared to the front…but i wil be gettin fiberglass fenders and bumpers, ya kno… aiight thank man il check that site out… peace :rockon: ---
**Author:** ![system](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/system/32/1_2.png) [@system](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2003, 12:07am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/engine-weight/36387/6 "2003-04-05T00:07:40Z")
FAL makes lexan windows for the g2 coupes. there are some members on here with the rear, not sure about the sides. and if your car has a sunroof, take it out and weld a piece of sheet metal, that will take weight out of the roof. ---
**Author:** ![DB2-R81](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/db2-r81/32/13_2.png) [@DB2-R81](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/DB2-R81)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2003, 2:45am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/engine-weight/36387/7 "2003-04-05T02:45:59Z")
Honda RA122E 75 deg V12 330 (23) Formula 1 Honda RA1/22E/B 352 (70) (est. weight) also RA121E Honda RA168E F1 V6 329 (119) 80 deg, 1500cc Honda 3.5L 72 deg V10 331 (40, 52) 24.4L x 21.7W x 21.3H Formula 1 Honda 75deg V12 340 (41) 1993 Formula 1 Honda 24V V6 491 (55) Acura Legend motor Honda CBR 600 F2 125 (102) motorcycle Honda B18B four 326 (131) 1995 Civic Honda B20B four 318 (131) 1997 Civic Honda Civic 1200 161 (151) 1974 Civic, excluding clutch and radiator but including weight of coolant water and lubricant Honda Civic 1500 205 (151) 1974 Civic, as above Honda CVCC 1500 227 (151) 1974 Civic, as above Honda CBR 600 F2 130 (167) motorcycle (estimated) Honda CBR 600 F2 140 (173) ---
**Author:** ![Ben\_Ogle](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/ben_ogle/32/70_2.png) [@Ben\_Ogle](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/Ben_Ogle)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2003, 4:49pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/engine-weight/36387/8 "2003-04-05T16:49:43Z")
Nice but whats the second # in () and why does it say they came in civics? Ben ---
**Author:** ![90RioGS](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/90riogs/32/82_2.png) [@90RioGS](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/90RioGS)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2003, 5:30pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/engine-weight/36387/9 "2003-04-05T17:30:31Z")
Ben, the 2nd number would be kilograms Edit: Nevermind… that doesn’t make sense for some of the #'s. lol ---
**Author:** ![DB2-R81](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/db2-r81/32/13_2.png) [@DB2-R81](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/DB2-R81)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2003, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/engine-weight/36387/10 "2003-04-05T19:49:36Z")
Hello Ben, References ``` Engine Weight/Size FYI version 00.02.04 by Dave Williams, [email]dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us[/email] ``` It isn’t really a Frequently Asked Question, so I’ll call it an “FYI”, For Your Information. This was originally a list I’d compiled long ago on paper, then moved to the computer, then posted on the net as a response to some questions. It wound up being popular, but since I didn’t keep track of the origin of the data there was some debate as to how accurate the list was. This new improved list has origins where I could find references; what doesn’t have an origin is stuff from my original list. You’ll sometimes see more than one weight listed. Some weights are for just a long block, some are complete and ready to run, and of course everything in between. Some engines varied in weight during their production runs - for example, some later Chevy V8s use thinwall blocks and aluminum heads. As of version 94.06.01 engine dimensions have been added. Since the shape can vary quite a bit within the maximum limits this data isn’t very useful, but many people have requested it. As of version 00.02.04 transmission weights have been added. If you have any figures you’d like to contribute, please send them to me at one of the following addresses: ``` [email]dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us[/email] PO Box 181, Jacksonville AR 72078-0181 ``` All contributions will be fully credited. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ``` weight engine pounds ref. comments ``` ABC Dragonfly aero 650 (87) 1917 9-cyl radial Alfasud flat-4 240 (2) (19) “complete” Alfa Romeo SOHC V6 375 (2) Alfa Romeo 415/85T 279 (31) F1 four, '87 season Alfa 155 V6 TI 242 (75) BTCC Class 1 race engine Alfa Romeo Type 33 V8 286 (137) 2000cc DOHC, Chiti design, 1967 Alfa Romeo 1600 261 (150) (with cams, generator, distributer, oil, etc but no manifolds or carbs) Allison V12 1160 (160) 1710 CID, 1400 HP aircraft AMC V8 540 (late design V8s) AMC V8 600 (early design V8s) AMC 6 500 (early design six - 199) AMW F-440 86 (78) SAE F440 spec motor, 2 cyl ATS 1.5L GP V8 247 (137) DOHC, Chiti design, 1966 Audi 2.0 L4 335 (2) Audi 5 364 (2) (non-turbo) Audi 80 1300 230 (2) Audi 100 1500 240 (2) Austin C-series L6 562 (2) ('56 Austin-Healey 100-6) BL “B” L4 OHV 335 (2) British Leyland BL “E” L6 345 (2) (“complete”) BL “O” L4 OHC 298 (2) 948cc 246 (156) (no indication of dressed or not) 1098cc 253 (156) Midget/Sprite BMW M52 3.3,3.5 Big Six 500 (2) BMW M60 B 40 4.0 V8 468 (17) BMW M60 Small Six 388 (2) BMW slant-6 turbodiesel 430 BMW 4.5L V12 607 (2) (50) “Fully dressed” prototype BMW 4.5L V12 974 (57) iron prototype BMW 5.0 V12 529 (22) (57) “fully dressed” BMW 3.0,4.0 V8 462 (70) all aluminum BMW 3.0,4.0 V8 448-468 (79) all aluminum BMW M105 Diesel 6 2.5L 430 (4) BMW 2.3 turbo Diesel 408 (21) iron block, alum head, “complete” BMW S14 four 350 (23) 318i motor Bollee vertical twin 330 (86) 6 bhp, 600 RPM, evaporative cooled BRM V12 375 (87) 1965? F1 motor Benz B2-3BZ, 1917, V8 683 (98) built-up steel, 940 ci, aircraft Briggs & Stratton 101 (165) 20HP w/electric start, flywheel, exhaust BRM “290” V12 319 (74) 1992 3.5L Le Mans engine Buick 1953 322 V8 635 (51) OHV V8 Buick 350 450 Buick 401 685 (1) ('59 Nail Head) Buick 430-455 V8 600 (one ref showed 640) (10 - 600) Buick 1963 odd-fire V6 414 (2) Buick V6 375 Buick 3.0 V6 '85-up 350 Buick/Rover 215 V8 318 (and Olds) Buick 1961 215 V8 324 (2) Cadillac V8 390 720 (1) ('59) Cadillac V8 472-500 625 Cadillac V8 500 595 (10) Cadillac V-16 1,300 (2) (1931) 45 deg. Cadillac 331 V8 699 (2) (1949) Cadillac Northstar V8 484 (71) Cadillac Northstar V8 403 (79) (bare, no accessories) Cadillac Northstar V8 464 (80) (dressed) Cadillac Northstar V8 404 (155) (without accessories) Callaway Indy HH-V8 277 (54) 2.6L Drake design Callaway “Wee 8” 200 (91) light weight design study Caterpillar L6 2867 (157) 3406E 600 Diesel 966CID Chevy Corvair flat 6 300 Chevy Sprint 993cc L4 147 (55) 24L x 20W x 25H (Suzuki mfr) Chevy 1.8-2.0 L4 302 (4) (39) “J car” pushrod Chevy Chevette 1.6 SOHC 300 (4) (39) (also Opel) Chevy Vega L4 285 Chevy II 153 L4 350 Chevy L6 194-250 440 Chevy L6 292 — Chevy L6 216/235 630 (2) Chevy L6 216/235 615 (88) “265 V8 was 40# lighter than 235” Chevy V6-90 229, 4.3 425 Chevy V6-60 2.8, 3.1 350 (2) Chevy small block V8 575 (generic for '60s-'70s motors) Chevy small block V8 535 (1) ('59 Corvette 283 w/alum. intake) Chevy LT-5 DOHC 5.7 600 (122) Chevy L98 5.7 V8 600 (122) Chevy V8 348/409 620 (1) Chevy V8 348/408 655 (83) Chevy big block V8 685 Mark IV Chevy big block V8 — Mark V Chevy 454 675 (10) Chevy 427 ZL-1 550 (35) all-aluminum, “20# lighter than SB” Chrysler 2.2 L4 216 (6) (bare motor) Chrysler 413 wedge 640 (1) ('59 300-E) Chrysler 331 Hemi 745 (5) 1955 Chrysler M4 tank engine 5,244 (87) 30 cyl, 5 banks of 6, flathead, WWII Chrysler 1955 V8 691 (99) Spitfire, ‘polyspheric’, 300 ci 188 hp Chrysler 1955 Hemi 729 (99) Firepower 331.1 ci, 250hp, 1x4v Chrysler 1955 300 Hemi 735 (99) C-300, 331.1 ci, 300hp, 2x4v Chrysler Patriot 186 (110) gas turbine (part of hybrid EV) Chrysler CR2A turbine 410 (111) 1964 Turbine Car, 130hp SAE net Citroen 2.0 Douvrin 4 263 Continental TSIO-550B 566 (113) turbocharged, aircraft Continental Voyager 571 (113) turbocharged, aircraft Cosworth AC V8 ('93) 286 (23,64) 75 degree bank angle Cosworth HB 75 deg V8 309 (52,63) 23.4L x 23.3W x 20.5H Cosworth HB Series 6 286 (70) 75 deg V8 595mmL Cosworth DFV V8 313 (23) 90 degree bank angle Cosworth DFR V8 308 (63) 90 degree bank angle Cosworth DFX V8 340 (29) Cosworth XB V8 260 (29, 89) Cosworth V8 375 (87) 1965? F1 Cosworth MBA 2.5L V6 242 (61,68) 90 deg V Cosworth ED 75 deg V8 292 (103) F1, 3 liter 1994 Cosworth 72 deg V10 440 (134) 4.3L 325hp prototype (street) Cosworth V8 370 (136) 1967, with clutch and injection Cosworth CR-1 V10 220 (144) 1999 F1 Coventry Climax FWMV V8 270 (121) 1963, w/starter & dynamo (2 valve) Coventry Climax FWMV V8 298 (121) 1965, w/starter & dynamo (4 valve) Crosley Cobra ('46-'48) 59 (25,26) less starter and generator Curtiss-Wright RC2-60-N8 rotary 900 (96) RC2-60-U10 rotary 325 (96) “heavy fuel” plus 50.2 for flywheel RC1-60 rotary 192 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories RC2-60 rotary 266 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories RC4-60 rotary 417 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories RC2-90 rotary 317 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories RC2-90 rotary 345 (96) water cooled, w/all accessories RC3-90 rotary 410 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories RC3-90 rotary 480 (96) water cooled, w/all accessories RC4-90 rotary 510 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories RC4-90 rotary 613 (96) water cooled, w/all accessories RC5-90 rotary 605 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories RC5-90 rotary 740 (96) water cooled, w/all accessories RC6-90 rotary 710 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories RC6-90 rotary 860 (96) water cooled, w/all accessories RC2-60 U5 rotary 280 (96) Curtiss V12, 1920 1086 (98) 1650 ci, steel with Al crankcase DeSoto 383 630 (1) ('59) DeSoto V8 675 (5) (276-341 CID, '50s) Detroit Diesel 6 2448 (37) (old design) Detroit Diesel 6 1848 (37) (new Penske/Mercedes design) Dodge V8 645 (5) (241-325 CID, '50s) Dodge 361 625 (1) ('59) Dodge Viper V10 716 (24) (30) with accessories Dodge Viper V10 ('97) 648 (133) 40# lighter block, 14# lighter heads Dodge truck V10 816 (30) (“about 100 pounds heaver”) Dodge truck V10 836 (34) (“about 120 pounds heaver”) Dodge truck V10 816 (128) “dressed weight” Drake DT-160 Indy V8 420 (138) 1978 model Meyer-Drake racing engine Edsel 361 680 (1) ('59) Fairbanks-Morse 40,840 (126) 2894 CID, 12 cyl, 12,408hp locomotive Falconer V12 523 (112) aluminum, small block Chevy based Ferrari 312T 397 (2) (V12 3.0L racing engine) Ferrari “250” V12 382 (2) Ferrari V12 ~300 (23) 65 degree bank angle, 1992 F1 Ferrari 456 V12 517 (32,65) 65 degree, 5.5L, 1992 Ferrari "036\_ F1 V12 310 (66) 65 deg, 3.5L Ferrari “291” F1 V12 275 (66) also E1A-92, 65 deg Ferrari E1A/92 F1 V12 308 (70) 65 deg Ferrari F50 4.7L V12 432 (90) FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 285 (2) (model 206) FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 296 (2) (model 246) Footwork/Porsche FA12 396 (76) F1 V12 Ford Zetec-SE 1.3 DOHC 202 (107) 1996 Fiesta Ford 1600 CVH 282 (49) (US Escort) Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 418 (2) (also 2.0, 2.5) Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 307 (18) Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 450 (2) (turbo) Ford 2.3 L4 Turbo 380 (162) Turbo T-Bird engine w/turbo, flywheel Ford 2.3 Polimotor 152 (12) plastic motor, experimental Ford 2.3 Polimotor 168 (55) plastic motor, experimental Ford Germany Taunus V4 205 (2) (and SAAB V4) Ford England Essex V4 327 Ford Germany 2.0-2.8 V6 305 Ford England Essex V6 379 (2) (3 liter) Ford 3.8 V6-90 351 (4) (w/start, alt, less clutch) Ford 3.8 V6-90 311 (18) (“fully dressed”) Ford 3.8 V6-90 298 (126) “complete” Ford Duratec 2.5/3.0 V6 360 (45) (“fully dressed”) Ford CDW27 60 deg V6 365 (47) “as delivered to assembly plant” Ford/Mazda Mondeo V6 225 (64) 60 deg, all aluminum, 4v Ford Taurus SHO 3.0/3.2 465 (153) Taurus SHO V6 Ford 170-250 L6 385 (except Australian w/aluminum head) Ford 4.2 V6 488 (161) flexplate and front dress, no A/C compressor. Shipping wt w/skid Ford flathead V8 525 (124) 1932 model, integral b’hsg, iron heads Ford flathead V8 569 (1) ('53 239 CID) Ford Cosworth DFV 353 (2) (racing engine, DOHC, 3.0L) Ford 255 Windsor 468 (4) Ford 289/302 V8 460 (168) (late 5.0s are a bit lighter) Ford 221-302W 460 (48) Ford Indy 255 pushrod 360 (120) all aluminum, 1963 Ford Indy 255 DOHC 400 (120) 1964, later known as Foyt Coyote V8 Ford 5.0 V8 450 (109) Ford 5.0 V8 411 (171) 89 Mustang 5.0 GT (dry) inc: manifold, carb(?), headers and alternator. Not inc: starter, smog pump, power steering pump, AC compressor, flywheel Ford BOSS 302 500 (48) Ford 351 Cleveland 550 (48) (includes BOSS and Australian 302-C) Ford 351 Windsor 510 Ford 351 Windsor 525 (48) (168) Ford 351M-400 575 (48) Ford Y block V8 625 (272-312 CID) Ford FE big block 650 (332-428 CID) Ford FE big block 670 (1) ('59 352 CID) Ford FE 625 (48) Ford 427 SOHC 680 (48) Ford 429/460 V8 640 Ford 429-460 720 (48) Ford 460 V8 720 (10) Ford BOSS 429 680 (iron block, aluminum heads) Ford BOSS 429 635 (48) Ford 4.6 SOHC 530 (93) iron block, aluminum heads Ford 4.6 SOHC 473 (72) Ford 4.6 SOHC 600 (168) (Mustang) Ford 4.6 DOHC 464 (72) “9 pounds lighter than SOHC” Ford 4.6 DOHC 437 (77) without accessories Ford 4.6 DOHC 521 (94) aluminum block and heads Ford 4.6 DOHC 576 (168) (Mustang) Ford Triton V10 635 (128) “dressed” Ford/Seimens 75hp 192 (108) 3-phase electric, with gear drive GM CD5-2 2-stroke 165 (42,68) Orbital patent, prototype GM Rotary Engine 255 (13) cast iron, 1972 PR weight figure GM Rotary Engine RC206 345 (14) aluminum, 1974 PR weight figure GMC 261 L6 (216-235) 544 (43) “25 lbs lighter than flathead Ford” GM Ultralite engine 173 (67) Garrett/Allied Signal 125 (108) hybrid EV gas turbine w/generator General Electric T-58 ~200 (115) 1100hp, helicopter turbine Gravely tractor 1cyl 65 (164) 1916-1976, minus manifolds and carb Gurney-Weslake V12 370 (33) Eagle AAR, 60 degree HKS F1 3.5 V12 363 (23) Formula 1, 5 valve per cyl. HS Performance 2.0 V8 160 (63) (2xYamaha FZR1000) 488L x 552W x 478H Hall-Scott 6 cyl 825ci 565 (97) Merc type A/C engine, \>WWI Fageol racer Hart V10 F1, 72 deg V 300 (63) model 1035, 622L x 560W x 535H Hart 10.35 300 (64) 622L x 560W Hart 420R 2.0L 245 (106) 1994, also Barker-Hart Hispano-Suiza V8 330 (86) 1915 aircraft engine, water cooled Hispano-Suiza V8 32CV 540 (86) 1919 6.6 liter car engine Hispano H, 1918 632 (98) aircraft, 1127 ci, steel w/Al crankcase Honda RA122E 75 deg V12 330 (23) Formula 1 Honda RA1/22E/B 352 (70) (est. weight) also RA121E Honda RA168E F1 V6 329 (119) 80 deg, 1500cc Honda 3.5L 72 deg V10 331 (40, 52) 24.4L x 21.7W x 21.3H Formula 1 Honda 75deg V12 340 (41) 1993 Formula 1 Honda 24V V6 491 (55) Acura Legend motor Honda CBR 600 F2 125 (102) motorcycle Honda B18B four 326 (131) 1995 Civic Honda B20B four 318 (131) 1997 Civic Honda Civic 1200 161 (151) 1974 Civic, excluding clutch and radiator but including weight of coolant water and lubricant Honda Civic 1500 205 (151) 1974 Civic, as above Honda CVCC 1500 227 (151) 1974 Civic, as above Honda CBR 600 F2 130 (167) motorcycle (estimated) Honda CBR 600 F2 140 (173) Honda CR500 66 (169) 2 stroke single, 491cc, 65HP Hooper 994cc V4 92 (73) two stroke, stepped piston, prototype Hooper 290cc twin 54 (73) two stroke, stepped piston, prototype Husaberg 600 63 (169) SOHC 4 stroke single, 595cc, 65HP Husqvarna 575 72 (169) SOHC 4 stroke single, 577cc, 62HP Husqvarna 630 72 (169) SOHC 4 stroke single, 633cc, 70HP Ilmor 80deg V8 325 (29) Ilmor 2175A 72deg V10 281 (59) 592.5mmL, 519mmW, 555mmH Ilmor 2175A 72 deg V10 268 (70) Ilmor V-8-A Indy 325 (69) 1992 Galmer Indy car, 90 deg V Ilmor 265A 80 deg V8 325 (84) Ilmor 265D 82 deg V8 272 (84) Infiniti 4.5 V8 551 (71) Infiniti Q45 V8 509 (72) “45 pounds heavier than Ford DOHC” Infiniti Q45 V8 529 (77) “65 pounds heavier than Ford DOHC” Isuzu 1.8 Diesel L4 384 (4) Isuzu 1.8 gas L4 311 (4) Jabiru 80hp aero 123 (114) flat-4, air cooled Jaguar V12 680 (57) Jaguar/Orbital 3.2 V6 359 (61) supercharged two stroke Jaguar 4.2L six 604 (105) Jaguar XJ220 V6 427 (73) complete w/turbos, wiring Jaguar AJ6 4.0L 531 (118) Jaguar AJV8 4.4L 441 (118) “fully dressed” Jaguar 3.4-liter XK 576 (148) for the 340 sedan, minus fan, air cleaner, clutch, and transmission, and without any fluids, but with flywheel, electrical equipment, and exhaust manifolds. Jaguar 3.8 six 592 (148) dress as above Jaguar 4.2 six 605 (148) dress as above Jaguar 5.3 V12 612 (148) dress as above Jaguar 5.3 V12 680 (148) fully dressed for installation Judd V10 286 (22) 72 deg V, F1, 630mm long Judd KV V8 242 (64) 90 deg F3000 1992 Judd GV 72 deg V10 273 (70) 630mmL KTM330 59 (169) 2 stroke, 368cc single, 64HP KTM520 63 (169) SOHC 4 stroke single, 510cc, 56HP Kawasaki H1R, H2R 120 (9) 3 cyl, two stroke MC Kubota D905-B Diesel 250 (125) 3 cyl, water cooled, with starter LPE 400 Series Turbo 370 (113) aircraft, 400 CI, SBC based, alloy LPE 600 Series Turbo 560 (113) aircraft, 670 CI, BBC based, alloy Lamborghini/Chrysler 299 (8) (1992) V12 Formula 1 motor Lamborghini 80 deg V12 330 (70) 1991-1992 V12 F1 Langley Aerodrome 200 (126) 5 cyl radial, 1903, 52hp Lexicon TRJ-300 110 (114) centrifugal turbojet, aircraft Lexus 4.0 V8 470 (71) Lexus 4.0 V8 464 (77) Liberty V12, 1917 856 (98) 1400+ ci, all steel, aircraft engine Lincoln 430 740 (1) ('59) (also Mercury 430) Lotus 907 (Esprit) 275 (3) inc. alt. & starter, no clutch Lotus Project 618 V8 465 (117) Esprit V8 prototype, w/AC, PS, alt. Lycoming 36 cyl radial 6050 (87) WWII, 127 liters, 4x9, water cooled Lycoming IO-540 515 (113) aircraft Mallory rotary 188 (87) 400hp, eccentric-vane Marmon V-16 931 (2) (1931) Mazda 12A and 13B 260 (109) Mazda 10A rotary 224 (20) (Cosmo) (bare) Mazda 10A rotary 268 (20) (R100) (bare) Mazda 10A rotary 190 (27) (R100) (without thermal reactor) Mazda 10A rotary 280 (27) (R100) (with thermal reactor) Mazda 12A rotary 348 (20) (RX7) (with oil and water) Mazda 12A rotary 356 (20) (Japanese model turbo, EFI) Mazda 12A rotary 275 (85) (w/flywheel, t.reactor, no alt.) Mazda 13A rotary 301 (20) (R130 Lucia - Japan only) (bare) Mazda 13B race 242 (95) 2-rotor race motor, with accessories Mazda 13G 3-rotor race 319 (95) 3-rotor race motor, with accessories Mazda 13J 4-rotor race 396 (95) 4-rotor race motor, with accessories Mercedes SOHC V8 alum. 452 (2) Mercedes SOHC V8 iron 540 (2) Mercedes 5.6L V8 467 (57) 1987 Mercedes OM 615 Diesel 447 (16) Mercedes M291 flat-12 374 (66) with starter, alt, exh, no clutch Mercedes 2.8/4.2 V6 331 (127) 1997, SOHC 3V, “shipped for assembly” Mercedes inline six 441 (127) 1995 and back Mercedes 500I V8 305 (46) 1994 pushrod Turbo Indy motor (Penske) Mercedes/Ilmor Indy V8 273 (57, 60) 72 deg V Turbo Indy motor Mercedes/Ilmor DOHC V8 280 (89) 1995 IC 108 model, no clutch Mercedes/Ilmor IC108C 280 (130) 1996 DOHC V8 Mercedes 3.2L V6 330 (141) 1997 SOHC, 90 deg, 3 valve Mercedes 5.8L V12 490 (143) 1997, 3 valve Mercury Marine 2000 331 (14) 200hp, 2 stroke, 142 CID, w/foot Mercury Marine 1750 350 (14) 275hp, 2 stroke, 122 CID, w/foot Miller 91 (1926) 330 (44) predecessor to Offy four Mopar Slant Six 475 Mopar 273-340 “A” V8 525 Mopar 360 “A” 550 Mopar 361-383-400 V8 620 (5) Mopar 413-426W-440 V8 670 (5) (10) Mopar Street Hemi 765 (690 bare) Mugen V10 330 (23) 72 degree bank angle, F1 Mugen V10 341 (70) 72 degree bank angle, F1, 1991-1993 Mugen V8 255 (64) 90 deg F3000 (late motor) Mundy Trident W-12 325 (85) proposed 1965 F1, not built Napier Nomad flat-12 3580 (87) aircraft, turbo-compound Napier Lion W-12 930 (87) aircraft, 1918, water cooled Napier Deltic, 1950 11000 (87) general use, 18 cyl Napier Deltic, 1966 15000 (87) intercooled, turbo version Nissan CA20 FWD 269 (4) belt cam Nissan Z20 NAPS-Z 2.0 346 (4) RWD chain cam Nissan VRT35 GTP V12 341 (66) 70 deg prototype 660L x 577W x 533H Nissan Maxim V6 3.0 264 (145) 60 deg, racing SR2 Offenhauser 252 355 (142) early '60s, aluminum/magnesium Olds 215 V8 318 (same as Buick/Rover) Olds 215 V8 345 (170) 1962, 2bbl, dry weight Olds 304 “Rocket” V8 671 (2) first Olds V8, 1949 Olds 304 Rocket V8 680 all accessories, no flywheel Olds straight-8 614 (2) '40s motor Olds 330 J2 700 (first generation V8) Olds 330-400 560 (5) low deck, w/accessories, no flywheel Olds 394 725 (1) ('59) Olds 371, 394 760 (5) Olds 400-455 620 (5) high deck w/accessories, no flywheel Olds 455 605 (10) Olds 262 V6 Diesel 590 (4) (from GM SAE paper) Olds DOHC 4.0 V8 463 (80)(dressed) Olds variant of Cad Northstar Opel 2.8-3.0 CIH L6 395 (2) Opel MAXX 973cc 3cyl 182 (132) also used by Vauxhall Orbital 2.0 L6 220 (82) “dressed” 2 stroke, all aluminum Otto “Atmospheric” 2600 (56) 1hp, 15 feet tall, model of 1867 Peugeot 204 Diesel 272 (11) SOHC, 45hp Peugeot Douvrin 2.0 4 263 (2) Peugeot 104 1400 260 (2) includes transaxle Peugeot Indenor XD-90 415 (16) Diesel, aluminum head and sump Pierce-Arrow V-12 1,130 (2) (1932) Pininfarina 181 (61) Ethos show car, Orbital 3 cyl Plymouth 361 640 (1) ('59) Polimotor DOHC 2.0 L4 150 (53) mostly plastic, development motor Polimotor L4 179 (106) inc. starter, no clutch or flywheel)\ Pontiac L4 350 Iron Duke, Tech IV Pontiac Tempest slant 4 470 Pontiac SOHC 6 450 Pontiac SOHC 6 550 (100) Pontiac 389 V8 650 Pontiac 389 V8 590 (1) ('59) Pontiac 301 V8 452 Pontiac 301 V8 451 complete with air cleaner and starter Porsche 914/4 265 (109) Porsche 911/6 280 (109) Porsche 4.7 SOHC V8 574 Porsche 4.7 SOHC V8 582 (57) Porsche 901 6 401 (2) (1963) Pratt & Whitney ST6B-62 260 (135) 550hp, '67 STP Turbine Car Rambler 327 V8 600 Rambler 327 V8 670 (1) ('59) Rover 3500 V8 318 (same as Buick) Rover 3.0 SOHC L6 432 (2) Rover 2000 four 312 (36) 1960s engine Renault 2.0 4 Douvrin 263 (2) Renault 2.8 V6 375 (2) (also DeLorean, Peugeot, Volvo) Renault EF-1 395 (2) (racing version of P-R-V V6) Renault V10 308 (23) 67 degree bank angle, F1 Renault V10 331 (52) 67 deg Renault RS3B V10 301 (70) 67 deg Renault D7F 1.1L 180 (123) Renault E-series 1.2L 238 (123) Rolls-Royce 6.5 Wankel 930 (51) tank engine Rover KV-6 2.5L 335 (117, 123) “fully equipped” SAAB V4-60 206 (2) (also Taunus, Ford) SAAB slant-4 290 (2) (also Triumph TR-7) Studebaker 289 650 Subaru 2.2L 269 (139) aero conversion Subaru flat-12 F1 331 (52) Formula 1, Moteri Moderni SuperLight 180 SL 210 (114) Mazda 13B-based, aircraft, alloy housings Suzuki Cultus 3 cyl 139 (7,38) (Geo Metro, Chevy Sprint) Toyota 1G-EU 2.6 L6 340 (27) with oil and coolant (SOHC) Toyota 1G-GEU 2.0 L6 355 (140) with oil and coolant (DOHC) Toyota 4M Hemi L6 400 (27) Toyota V6 469 (81) '92 Camry iron V6 Toyota V6 3.0L 401 (81) '94 Camry aluminum V6 1MZ-FE Toyota RV8A Indy V8 225 (116) '96,as used in Gurney Eagle Toyota R32V GT1 V8 352 (144) twin turbo DOHC race engine, 1988 Triumph slant-4 290 (2) (also SAAB 99) Triumph 2000 L6 403 (2) (Spitfire, 2.5 TRs) Triumph Stag V8 446 VW flat-4 air cooled 200 VW flat-4 air cooled 215 (109) VW flat-4 Type IV 311 (109) VW flat 4 Type 1 250 (163) 1600cc dual port, stock flywheel, clutch, doghouse oilcooler, Monza muffler, Bosch alternator, twin Solex/Kadron carbs with manifolds and linkage, heater boxes, all sheet metal, without oil Vauxhall Calibra 245 (75) 24v, 2.5L V6 Vauxhall Swindon 230 (106) race motor, 2.0L Vertemati 62 (169) SOHC 4 stroke single, 503cc, 56HP Volvo B20E 340 (104) Volvo B21F&B23F 365 (104) Volvo 3.0 L6 DOHC 401 (56) all aluminum Wright Flyer flat-4 170 (126) original 1903 Kitty Hawk engine 14hp Wright R3350 Cyclone 3029 (87) aircraft radial Yamaha OX66 75 deg V6 230 (44) 16.5" long, 21.5" wide Yamaha OX88 75 deg V8 320 (40,52) Formula 1, 3.5L, 22.0L x 22.4W Yamaha OX99 70 deg V12 308 (70) F1 Yamaha FJ600 135 (101) MC, without intake or exhaust Yamaha YZ400F 59 (169) DOHC 4 stk. single, 5 valve, 426cc, 57HP Yamaha XS650 twin 170 (172) 1981 model, with oil =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sizes: These figures can be _very_ misleading! Shape is usually more important than maximum dimensions. ``` ref Length Width Height ``` Alfa 155 V6 TI (75) 500mm Allison V12 (160) 44\* 30 36 \*62 w/acc drives BRM “290” V12 (74) 650mm BRM V12 1965? F1 (87) 29 Buick 3.8 V6 (60) 22.0 24.0 24.2 Chevy LT1 (1994) V8 (60) 27.2 24.8 23.0 Chevy Sprint 993cc L4 (55) 24 20 25 Cosworth V8, 1965? (87) 21.5 Cosworth 75 deg V8 (52) 23.4 23.3 20.5 Cosworth HB 75 deg V8 (52,63) 23.4 23.3 20.5 Cosworth HB Series 6 (70) 595mm Cosworth MBA V6 (67) 26.25 20.5 27.75 Cosworth XB V8 (89) 22.2 21.7 21.9 Cosworth ED 75 deg V8 (103) 23.4 21.3(_) (_) inc Air filter Cosworth V8, 1967 (136) 21.4 27.0 Cosworth CR-1 V10 (144) 569mm 509mm 375mm Drake Indy V8 (1978) (138) 25 25 22 ``` ref Length Width Height ``` Ford-Cosworth DOHC V8 (60) 22.2 21.7 21.9 Ford Mod V6 2.5L 60deg (81) 22 24 24 Ford CDW27 460mm HS Performance 2.0 V8 (63) 488mm 552mm 478mm Hart V10 F1, 72 deg V (63) 622mm 560mm 535mm Honda 3.5L 72 deg V10 (40,52) 24.4 21.7 21.3 Honda 3.0 VTEC V6 (129) 486mm 627mm 647mm “fully dressed” Honda Civic 1200, 1974 (151) 26.8 18.4 24.6 Honda Civic 1500, 1974 (151) 21.4 20.2 25.5 Honda CVCC 1500, 1974 (151) 21.7 20.4 26.6 Ilmor 2175A 72deg V10 (59) 592.5mm 519mm 555mm Ilmor DOHC V8/C (60) 22.0 22.0 22.8 Ilmor V-8-C (75) 22.1 22 22.8 Judd GV 72 deg V10 (70) 630mm Lamborghini F1 80degV12 (70) 719mm Lycoming 36 cyl radial (87) +10 feet Mazda 2.5V6 452mm Mercedes-Ilmor OHV V8 (60) 22.1 20.1 25.7 Mercedes-Ilmor DOHC V8 (89) 22.05 21.85 22.44 Mercedes F0110 75dg V10 (103) 590mm 485mm 472mm Mercedes IC108C V8 (130) 560mm 550mm 570mm Mugen V10 72 deg (70) 620mm Mundy Trident W-12 (85) 20.5 Nissan VRT35 GTP V12 (66) 660mm 577mm 533mm Renault G-ser. 2.2 12v (107) 515mm 598mm (1996) Renault V10 (52) 26.3 21.7 17.3 Renault RS3B V10 (70) 620mm Subaru flat-12 F1 (52) 29.3 28.5 15.7 Suzuki H20A V6 (92) 650mm 620mm 815mm 60deg V6, 2L Yamaha OX66 75 deg V6 (44) 16.5 21.5 Yamaha OX88 75 deg V8 (40,52) 22.0 22.4 Yamaha OX99 70 deg V12 (70) 725mm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Transmissions maker weight gears type source comment Alfa Romeo 195 manual (166) '76 Alfetta GT transaxle Borg Warner 101 4 speed manual Ford Super T-10 iron/aluminum Borg Warner 92 4 speed manual Chevy Super T-10 iron/aluminum Borg Warner 130 4 speed manual (158) 1927 model T-4, for 1927 Paige 8 (dry) rated to 175 ft-lb Borg Warner 78 5 speed manual (85) T-5, Ford pattern Ford 48 4 speed manual (85) '71 Capri/Pinto 1600 light duty (iron case, aluminum tailshaft housing) iron bhsg 23# Ford C6 ~202 3 speed auto (152) Big block C-6, 165 lbs, Transmission weight, drained, without torque converter 37 lb, Torque converter weight, mostly drained Ford C6 ~171 3 speed auto (154) no fluid Ford C4 ~185 3 speed auto (152) Small block C-6, 150 lbs, Transmission weight, drained, without torque converter 35 lb, Torque converter weight, mostly drained Ford AOD 184 4 speed auto (154) (without fluid) Ford AOD 195 4 speed auto (159) including torque convertor Ford FMX ~195 3 speed auto (154) cast iron case Ford FMX 195 3 speed auto (159) iron case Ford 228 3 speed auto (154) Ford-O-Matic (pre-FMX), cast iron case (early '60s) Jerico 72 4 speed manual (145) mag. case with integral coolant pump Jerico 68 4 speed manual (145) mag. case w/o integral coolant pump Jerico 52 2 speed manual (149) Mitsubishi 110 5 speed manual (146) '91 VR4 transaxle, less transfer Porsche 89 5 speed manual (147) 901 transaxle Porsche 109 5 speed manual (147) 915 transaxle Saginaw 149 4 speed manual (147) Corvair IRS transaxle Saginaw 82 4 speed manual (85) VW 71 4 speed manual (147) Beetle IRS transaxle VW 79 4 speed manual (147) Bus IRS transaxle ZF 135 5 speed manual (147) Pantera transaxle =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sources: unattributed data: from my paper notes of yesteryear otherwise: (1) Handbook of Engine Swapping, John Thawley, 1960 (2) Complete Handbook of Automotive Power Trains, Jan Norbye, 1981 (3) Passenger Car Engines, papers, IMechE, 1975 (4) New Light Duty Engines, SAE 510, 1982 (5) Hot Rod Engines, Hot Rod, 1967 (6) Aspects of Internal Combustion Engine Design, SAE 582, 1982 (7) Popular Science, May 1984 (8) Automotive Industries, June 1993 (9) Cycle Magazine, Cook Neilson, “TDC” Feb 1990 (10) Street Rodder, Neal Muyleart, “Aluminum Manifold”, Aug 1993 (11) Popular Science, March 1974 (12) Popular Science, September 1982 (13) Popular Science, May 1972 (14) Popular Science, April 1974 (15) Popular Science, December 1977 (16) Popular Science, November 1973 (17) Automotive Industries, July 1992 (18) Ford SVO V-6 Racing Engine Builder’s Guide, 1992 (19) “Streamlining and Car Aerodynamics”, Norbye, 1977 (20) “The New Mazda RX7 and Mazda Rotary Engine Sports Cars”, Jack Yamaguchi, 1985 (21) Popular Science, April 1979 (22) Autotech, April 1988 (23) Racecar Engineering, V2 N6 1993 (24) Sports Car International, October 1992 (25) Road & Track, February 1994 (26) Collectible Automobile, January 1986 (27) Road & Track, December 1970 (28) Road & Track, August 1980 (29) Road & Track, February 1992 (30) Car and Driver, March 1992 (31) Superauto Illustrated, October 1986 (32) Sports Car International, January 1993 (33) Sports Car International, June 1992 (34) Automobile, November 1991 (35) Motor Trend, September 1993 (36) Road & Track, April 1980 (37) Road & Track, August 1993 (38) Car and Driver, January 1984 (39) Popular Mechanics, June 1981 (40) Road & Track, January 1989 (41) Road & Track, December 1993 (42) Motor Trend, August 1990 (43) Sports Car International, July 1990 (44) Road & Track, May 1985 (45) Automotive Industries, May 1994 (46) Machine Design, May 23 1994 (47) Automotive Industries, April 1994 (48) Hot Rod Ford High Performance 1985 (49) Road & Track, May 1989 (50) Road & Track October 1979 (51) Motor Trend, September 1972 (52) Road & Track, June 1989 (53) Road & Track, September 1984 (54) Motor Trend, June 1985 (55) Motor Trend, August 1984 (56) Motor Trend, August 1987 (57) Road & Track, July 1987 (58) Car Craft, July 1994 (59) Racecar Engineering, Summer 1991 (60) Circle Track, August 1994 (61) Car Design & Technology, July 1992 (62) The World’s Fastest Cars, Publications International Ltd 1989 (63) Racecar Engineering, Vol 2 Number 5 (64) Racecar Engineering, 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Norbye (Chilton, '73, ISBN 0-8019-5591-2) via: Eric Verschuur (97) Automotive Quarterly, vol 22, no 1 via: Jim Davies (98) Jim Davies (99) 1955 Chrysler Service Manual - Imperial, Windsor, New Yorker, 300 (100) [dale@wyvern.wyvern.com](mailto:dale@wyvern.wyvern.com) (Dale Maurice) (101) David Alan Clemens (102) LLOYD ROBERT C (103) Dan Jones (104) Haynes manuals, via: [jcatford@rsvs.ulaval.ca](mailto:jcatford@rsvs.ulaval.ca) (Jean-Guy Catford) (105) [jcatford@rsvs.ulaval.ca](mailto:jcatford@rsvs.ulaval.ca) (Jean-Guy Catford) (106) Cars & Car Conversions, February '95, via: [amm@tremas.dct.ac.uk](mailto:amm@tremas.dct.ac.uk) (Angus Marshall) (107) Automotive Engineering, November 1995 (108) Automotive Industries, January 1995 (109) Kit Car, March 1995 (110) Automotive Industries, February 1995 (111) Exotic Cars Quarterly, Summer 1991 (112) Hot Rod Engines 1992 (113) Kitplanes, April 1994 (114) Kitplanes, September 1995 (115) Hot Rod, April 1996 (116) Machine Design, May 9, 1996 (117) Automotive Industries, March 1996 (118) Automotive Industries, June 1996 (119) SAE 890877, “Honda Formula One Turbo-Charged V6 1.5L Engine” (120) SAE 640252, “The Ford D.O.H.C. 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