# How to make 200 whp with out turbo or NOS

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**Category:** Hybrids & Advanced Aftermarket Engine Performance\
**Created:** [December 8, 2003, 10:18am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106 "2003-12-08T10:18:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/system/32/1_2.png) [@system](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2003, 10:18am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/1 "2003-12-08T10:18:54Z")

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I was wanting to now how i could make 200 plus whp out of my B18 ls motor. I have seen a b20 vtec make 200 whp but is it posssible to make a b18 ls motor. if so what are the main parts i should be looking at.

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**Author:** ![N\_Tegra](https://forum.g2ic.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/8797f3/32.png) [@N\_Tegra](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/N_Tegra)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2003, 12:12pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/2 "2003-12-08T12:12:43Z")

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Change the Rotator Split to a bigger size

Add some Octane Booster ( Dale Jr. Edition)

Get rid of your muffler bearings

Or you could just SEARCH!

Search the website, this topic has been covered many of times, and after you have done that, then ask the questions, if there is any left to answer

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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/system/32/1_2.png) [@system](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2003, 3:28pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/3 "2003-12-08T15:28:56Z")

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give me 15,000 JUST for the motor and dont ever expect to drive it outside of a track. Oh also expect routine maintenance JUST on the motor to go up about 20 fold. You will need to completely dissassemble and reassemble the entire motor about every 500 miles or so to inspect for failure(s) unless you want more damage due to extended use with a failed component to occur

so just let me know when you’ll be dropping it off with me

i wont hold my breath

🙇‍♂️

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**Author:** ![KraZEtEggIE](https://forum.g2ic.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KraZEtEggIE](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/KraZEtEggIE)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2003, 6:15pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/4 "2003-12-08T18:15:03Z")

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didnt 1 guy have well over 200hp on a b20 on here? like 230hp i think it was? i think its gotta be possible if you had ridiculous compression, lumpiest cams you can have made(prolly wont find them in production), like 1mm oversized valves. but the bolt-ons would prolly cost about the same as the engnie. side exit header and a race muffler if u plan to street it, jg or similar manifold, 72mm tb, nice 3" air bell or filter that flows better than any i have ever seen, either one would have to be mounted somewhere were u could get real cold air. it couldnt be too hard.

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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/system/32/1_2.png) [@system](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2003, 9:52pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/5 "2003-12-08T21:52:48Z")

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Call gude- [gude.com](http://gude.com). Them boys ain’t no joke when it comes to non vtec. They put in my boys ride 220 mhp with stock bottom. When he gets the bottom done he’ll be making around 240. Driveable, everyday, gas (premium). Yo, that’s sick indeed. Check it out! I Forgot! ALL MOTOR!!!

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**Author:** ![NFULFX](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/nfulfx/32/5_2.png) [@NFULFX](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/NFULFX)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2003, 10:21pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/6 "2003-12-08T22:21:47Z")

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2FastLS check your mail.

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**Author:** ![IdntGlwIglisten](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/idntglwiglisten/32/89_2.png) [@IdntGlwIglisten](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/IdntGlwIglisten)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 1:55am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/7 "2003-12-09T01:55:37Z")

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Gude head pacage = ~1500. Gude throttle body = ~225. Skunk2 IM= ~240.

Stick that on a B20… Oh man. I’d be in tears.

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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/system/32/1_2.png) [@system](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 8:23pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/8 "2003-12-09T20:23:07Z")

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huh? my attention is suddenly perked. any pics or vids of that car with 220hp?

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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/system/32/1_2.png) [@system](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 8:29pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/9 "2003-12-09T20:29:50Z")

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> Originally posted by IdntGlwIglisten   
> [B]Gude head pacage = ~1500. Gude throttle body = ~225. Skunk2 IM= ~240.

Stick that on a B20… Oh man. I’d be in tears. [/B]

I’ll be cryin like a little bitch!!

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**Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 8:32pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/10 "2003-12-09T20:32:33Z")

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> Originally posted by integy4dr   
> huh? my attention is suddenly perked. any pics or vids of that car with 220hp?

na! but call them up, look them up on the internet [gude.com](http://gude.com) and get the number. they hook your’s up to aaaiiight!!!

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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/system/32/1_2.png) [@system](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 9:00pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/11 "2003-12-09T21:00:09Z")

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> Originally posted by N FUL FX   
> 2FastLS check your mail.

yo man, you got some talent!

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**Author:** ![radzer0](https://forum.g2ic.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/a9a28c/32.png) [@radzer0](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/radzer0)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 10:12pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/12 "2003-12-09T22:12:39Z")

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i can list a combo that makes rigth at 200whp for a b18b… its not cheap tho… it uses a aftermarket head and all… i know someone with one for sale built up like this pretty cheap (compared to the seperate parts prices)… makes me wish i had the money to buy it and id just throw it in my car

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**Author:** ![KraZEtEggIE](https://forum.g2ic.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KraZEtEggIE](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/KraZEtEggIE)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 3:26am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/13 "2003-12-10T03:26:22Z")

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yea? list the setup. show some dyno pix too. ur crazy and not in a good way

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**Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 3:30am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/14 "2003-12-10T03:30:23Z")

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here is a good setup from under 3000 that should make some decent power

Engine- Find someone who had a low mileage engine(\<90xxx miles) who just swapped an engine into their teg. then buy it the longblock for 500  
Intake- AEM CAI for 150  
valve springs and retainers- 400 for install too  
cams- crower 402s 300  
cam gears- AEM 100  
Throttle body - (still looking for a brand to reccomend) 250  
Intake Mani - Skunk 2 250  
Header - DC 250  
Fuel Pressure Regulator - 150  
fuel injectors - 300  
fuel rail - 100  
fuel pump - 100  
1 hour of Dyno tuning - 175

TOTAL  
engine-500  
Valve springs/retainers- 400  
CAI-100  
Cams- 300  
cam gears- 100  
Throttle Body- 250  
Intake Manifold- 250  
Header-250  
fuel pressure reg.-100  
fuel injectors- 300  
fuel rail-100  
fuel pump-100  
dyno- 175

total- $2925

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**Author:** ![radzer0](https://forum.g2ic.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/a9a28c/32.png) [@radzer0](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/radzer0)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 3:38am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/15 "2003-12-10T03:38:04Z")

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1994 LS JG Engine Dynamics Pro Series Head  
Brand new crower stage 2 cams  
Crower dual valve springs w/titanium retainers  
New valve guides  
New Honda head bolts  
New Honda head gasket  
Port + Polish (intake and exhaust)  
Racing Valve Grind  
Skunk2 Intake Manifold  
Gude Bored Throttle Body  
Unorthodox Racing Crank Pulley  
1994 B18B Block  
2000 B16A2 Pistons (brand new and installed)  
New bearings and seals  
LS Connecting Rods  
New piston rings  
New wrist pins  
ACT 6 Puck Clutch Disc  
ACT X-Treme Pressure Plate  
Lightened Flywheel  
New Throwout Bearing

the motor was never ran… so we dont know exact power this motor will make… but the builder built a motor exactly like it before and it gave 203whp

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**Author:** ![KraZEtEggIE](https://forum.g2ic.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KraZEtEggIE](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/KraZEtEggIE)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 3:59am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/16 "2003-12-10T03:59:00Z")

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if this is ur setup and ur streeting it then make sure u get a sprung puck clutch, the normal puck clutches only have engaged and disengaged(sp). the springs allow you to pretty much ride the clutch if u need to. not saying thats a good thing but sometimes u have to.

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**Author:** ![radzer0](https://forum.g2ic.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/a9a28c/32.png) [@radzer0](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/radzer0)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 4:29am UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/17 "2003-12-10T04:29:54Z")

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i wish i could buy the motor from him… he only wants $1200 complete and its never been run… but i dont have any money… barely got enuf to fix my motor up

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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/system/32/1_2.png) [@system](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/18 "2003-12-10T19:28:47Z")

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damn 1200 for that set-up thats cheaper then Dh-racing. there cheapest B18 is 2300

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**Author:** ![radzer0](https://forum.g2ic.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/a9a28c/32.png) [@radzer0](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/radzer0)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 7:54pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/19 "2003-12-10T19:54:34Z")

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thats why i wish i could buy it… but i dun even realy have money to fix my oil burnign problem right now… muchless a whole motor

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**Author:** ![IdntGlwIglisten](https://forum.g2ic.com/user_avatar/forum.g2ic.com/idntglwiglisten/32/89_2.png) [@IdntGlwIglisten](https://forum.g2ic.com/u/IdntGlwIglisten)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 10:24pm UTC](https://forum.g2ic.com/t/how-to-make-200-whp-with-out-turbo-or-nos/45106/20 "2003-12-10T22:24:49Z")

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a whole new motor = no more burning oil… =)

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