Only Kids break DSM tranny’s;)
the only reason why I am saying that is… the kid I bought my DSM from wrecked the poor tranny with his stupid ways, nothing beats a 6k clutch dump with a heavy clutch… somethings gonna give
hehe
in his current configuration, according to magazine articles, yes, shepard hasn’t yet broken any driveline parts. but to say that the whole time he has had that car (and his previous car before that) he hasn’t ever broken a diff our ruined a tranny would be far-fetched to say the least. and his current tranny is not stock, just stock gear-ratios (again according to magazine articles). besides, he is the exception, not the rule. i’m not talking out of my ass when i say that the dsm driveline is fragile under increased hp, right?
and as for mods equating to 1/4 mile times, if i listed all of mine, you could say i have a 400 hp 11 sec. car, but until i install everything & run it at the track, i’d never make any claims to that notion.
sorry if i sound/sounded harsh, it just bothers me when people make claims of power or times or what mods work best without any proof to back it up.
EDIT: btw just so you know where i’m coming from, i have nothing against dsm’s. in fact, i like them a lot for their budget-brawler status and pretty nice exterior lines. but that 1g interior could use some work yeah? 
well his tranny is sort of stock. its nothing exotic, its stuff that every DSMer has the option to do. and to be honest, the DSM tranny gets a bad rap because mostly kids who just have to dump the clutch at every stop light own them. when treated properly, they will hold up. its the suburu trannies that grenade at about 250hp.
and i wasnt really claiming that much, just sort of a remark meaning i could get that power extremely easily. but i wouldnt be surprised at all if i surpased that.
i could be wrong here…but matt…in more support of you and DSM’s…this post was by dan cokic on the NE forum about his car…
Anyone who is interested, I let you know had happened with my car at the track. I shattered the gears in my rearend. The rearend was 9 years old with over 300 1/4 mile passes( at least half of them 10 and 11 second passes). It was about time for the rear to go. The car is making over 500 wheel horsepower and I can drive it everyday if I choose. I put the car together the previous day before the track day. I got 2 full passes down the track, both of them with shifting problems and had a best mph of 124. I was just geting used to the car( I hadnt driven it in over a year at that point, so I don’t see how Jon saw it 5 times at the track because I haven’t gone 5 times to the track with it here in Ct.) and come to find out I needed a new slave cylinder thats why I couldn’t get the car in gear. I will be going to the track once more with the car to try and better it’s time (10.9 @129). After that I will only be concentrating on our race car. BTW, our race car which has gone 9.90 et. has used the same stock tranny for 2 seasons in a row without breakage. We also are using the same flywheel and street disk that hilo64imp has in his car. We cut 1.40 short times and our clutch doesn’t look like that. Our race car also makes over 500 whp. No blown headgaskets either.
so qwkteg…if you read that…it dan says that his STOCK rearend broke after 9 years w/ ridiculous amounts of 1/4 mile passes w/ low ET’s…your comment about “grenading the tranny” seems to have been proved otherwise…w/ dans FULL race car not breaking the STOCK tranny in 2 full seasons…
more support…also coming from the Jay (the one matt spoke of w/ the incredible SE-R)
[I]The reality is the trannies are plenty strong. How many gearsets do you see DSM break? Right.
The problem is the shift forks and syncro design. Both have replacments that are stronger and pretty much bulletproof.[/I]
if you’re skeptical about dan and his car…take a look at his site…
http://www.pruvenperformance.com/dan.html
btw…he also just got the AWD dyno up and running…just did 494awhp/497awtq…not even at full boost
granted i really cant input any knowledge into the whole sc/turbo dispute…but i wanted to also put in my thoughts in support of matt here…on how a DSM won’t always break…assuming its all done right…gotta give dan credit where he deserves it…i give matt credit too on his talon (still waiting on a ride dude )
haha craig thanks a **** load. As you know I dont browse the NE forum so i cant pick up tidbits of info like that.
My point has been made, and backed up by one of the fastest daily driven DSMs in the world. End of story.
And craig, school ends May 16th so i’ll be home for the whole summer and then some. You’ll get a ride dont worry 
like i said, you are naming the select few who have been lucky enough or have had enough skill & knowledge to not break a tranny. even pete stated that the previous owner of his car messed up a tranny so don’t pretend it doesn’t happen. it doesn’t matter if it’s some punk kid that doesn’t know what he’s doing. that’s no excuse, if it breaks it breaks, that was the point. and dan’s car you mention has 500+hp, maybe if you tried granny launching like him your car won’t run to its potential or you still break something. or maybe you’ll even run the 12’s you claim your car is capable of, i dunno, & neither do you. only way to find out for sure is to run your car at the track & put an end to the bench racing.
i think the point he was trying to get off was EVERY tranny on EVER manufacturers car is suspect to failure. DSMs really aren’t prone to it (if you know what you’re doing.)
Btw, i never said i’d run 12’s, the line in my signature doesn’t apply to me. I’ve spent about 3500 on my car, the $1500 was a buddy of mine. Hell my turbo/manifold/and o2 housing alone was $900.
Originally posted by qwkteg125
like i said, you are naming the select few who have been lucky enough or have had enough skill & knowledge to not break a tranny. even pete stated that the previous owner of his car messed up a tranny so don’t pretend it doesn’t happen. it doesn’t matter if it’s some punk kid that doesn’t know what he’s doing. that’s no excuse, if it breaks it breaks, that was the point. and dan’s car you mention has 500+hp, maybe if you tried granny launching like him your car won’t run to its potential or you still break something. or maybe you’ll even run the 12’s you claim your car is capable of, i dunno, & neither do you. only way to find out for sure is to run your car at the track & put an end to the bench racing.
whoa whoa whoa…if i read that right…i believe you said “granny launching like him”…honestly…if you take a look at that site or read closer what i said…his best ET so far is 10.9 @129…what would make you think he is “granny launching” as you put it…i guess i just dont understand how you would come to that conclusion after it says that AT LEAST 150/300 of those passes were sub 12 second pases…and if you are talking about the full race car…since when dont you drive a full race car hard?..2 seasons he said on a stock tranny w/o breaking…and that leads to the other reason that i posted the quote by jay hass about the trannys themselves not being the weakspot…that its the shift forks and synchros…which he said could be easily replaced w/ better and stronger ones…
im not trying to be an a**hole or meaning to come across in that sense…im just trying to express a point in what you said about DSM’s having weak trannies and help matt out a little bit…just gotta know what you are doing…just like matt said…every tranny w/ every manufacturer is suspect to having probs…people just hastily jump to say that DSM’s have terrible ones…
and dan also said the same thing as matt had…about them burning up the clutches by dumping them all the time…and smoking them/riding them hard w/o letting them cool off at all…
a 12 sec DSM seems to be very attainable…but you’re right…the only way to know is to take it to the track and to get a timeslip…good luck to ya matt on that…im sure after waiting for those injectors and downpipe you’re anxious to get to get to the dyno and the track
btw…matt…you know how to install an HKS EVC EZ on a 2g?..my friend pete got one and we werent exactly sure which lines to tap into
no clue craig sorry.
my injectors and downpipe are sitting in my room at home. I just need to put them in the next time i’m home… ohhh baby
your right, i don’t know how dan launches his vehicle. i was going on the experiences of others from magazine articles i have read. in a recent turbo magazine article shepard said he launches softly out of the hole to spare the tranny. and it was well documented the troubles michael ferrera had with his dsm driveline. and i know for a fact that glazar & brent rau have had their share tranny problems as well. that’s why i thought that the new school of thought for dsm owners is to ease off the line. maybe that isn’t the case. so if dan launches his car by dropping the clutch with a big smoky burnout off the line without breaking anything, then more power to him.
i still won’t back off my previous statements though. the simple fact is that when your driveline is subjected to a grippy 4wd launch, then its going to have more problems then it would with a 2wd launch. no matter what you say you will not change this fact.
the funniest thing about this thread? i wasn’t even trying to make a point about dsm trannies. i just wanted formz to run his car at the track to get a real time.
how about this? i will be dynoing my car & running at the local tracks here this season after i get my setup complete. why don’t you guys do the same & we compare who’s fastest at the end of the 1/4 mile? no arguments or excuses about trannies or which car is better or anything else. the fastest guy gets bragging rights, plain & simple. sound good?
The biggest thing about it is raw friction. on an AWD car, there are 4 wheels, battling the ground and all the power is getting transmitted and controlled to attain the most traction. I would go as far as to say that if you had a very sticky set of very wide slicks on a honda (within reason I know.,…:)) you would prolly end up snapping something like the diff from a nice ole heavy hard launch.
The key it seems is being reasonable on your launch. Granny launching, feathering, whatever, it just comes down to being safe. I know my 91 motor is bulletproof, it is just the tranny. on my subaru I knew my engine was bullet proof, just 2nd gear didnt like the idea of working corrctly;). My GSR, well, the engine moved on to greener pastures after its sale. So it depends on the car, not every company makes a stunning tranny, not every company has a stunning engine to go with it.
Just different methods of getting down the track.
Also, one last thing, about my specific tranny situation…
This kid just SUCKS!.. hell, you take a honda transmission and just use raw power (human force to the shifter) to change gears and i bet Mr. Honda would be rolling around in his grave, and worrying that piece of the tranny might fly into the ground towards him;)
heheh just a little humor before Formz and others get all wound up again;)
Originally posted by qwkteg125
in a recent turbo magazine article shepard said he launches softly out of the hole to spare the tranny.
hehe he eased off the line to 1.8 60 fts haha. but yea for his time that actually is easing off. He’d be capable of 1.7 1.6 or even lower if he really wanted to beat the friggin’ thing.
I dont know if I plan on running my car at the track this season. its about 2 hours away so getting up and back is sort of a pain in the ass, but i want to. i DO however plan on getting it dynoed. A shiny new AWD dyno opened up near me 
i was just inputting some dsm things that i happen to come across…no tension was meant to come of it…
as far as your dyno/track idea…i’m out…just cause ive only got I/H/E as far as engine mods will go…curiousity though…what you have going on for your setup you spoke of?..i wish i had the money to build up my car…but as it is now…struggling just to make the ends meet as i spent a little over $300 last week alone between my clutch cable and radiator…shitty way to begin the week w/ the cable snapping…and a shitty way to end it w/ the radiator breaking…
but back to what you said…i’d be curious to see matt run his car too…see what it could pull off…come on matt…take it up to LVD one time for one of those test and tunes…get like 3 runs in…so you dont have to fork out a whole bunch of money for one of al’s or scott’s dragdays…and that way…you lessen the chance of anything breaking by only taking 3 runs…and if you wanna get in…i think matt (w/ the red supra…though i know you guys have had your differences he’s told me) was organizing a group dyno day down at pruven…take a look on the pike.net board for info…maybe you can get your stuff in…i dont remember off the top of my head when it is and the costs are dependent on how many people are participating
my point is… i’d rather drive this:
<img src=“http://students.washington.edu/locdaddy/newcarpics3.jpg”>
then… this:
<img src=“http://students.washington.edu/locdaddy/formz.jpg”>
this thread makes me laugh! 
just do wat’cha’like…
Originally posted by Grasshopper
I still dont know why you are in this club Formz,
dude formz has been here a long a$$ time, and has always helped out other members here, so i don’t see why he can’t still come here and help out whenever he wants even though he owns another car, that’s really close minded, even if he doesn’t own a g2 anymore he’s still welcome to come here. i mean he can go to other clubs but he still takes his time to come here and help out
Originally posted by 92GS-R
[B]my point is… i’d rather drive this:
<img src=“http://students.washington.edu/locdaddy/newcarpics3.jpg”>
then… this:
<img src=“http://students.washington.edu/locdaddy/formz.jpg”>
this thread makes me laugh! 
just do wat’cha’like… [/B]
whoaaaaa can’t wait to see the reply to this heh
Originally posted by SOL1D
[B]
whoaaaaa can’t wait to see the reply to this heh [/B]
just felt like livening up the mood in this thread!
SOL1D: thanks for all the nice words. most of the people on here dont realize i was on here back in the 8m days, they just see my car and think “wtf is he doing here.”
Craig: I may bring it up to LVD, but I’d rather do that AFTER a dyno run/tune so I can get the best times possible.
92 GS-R: Who cares? No one on this board cares what you drive except for you. You know I’d romp on you with only 3 of my cylinders firing. It’s people like you who ruin this board. The rest of the people in this thread were just talking back and forth. So my hats off to you, for being the dumbest fücking person on this thread! I have one question to leave you: how’s it feel to spend thousands of dollars and still have a car that I could romp with $50 in mods? Toolbox.
Originally posted by Formz TSi
[B]
92 GS-R: Who cares? No one on this board cares what you drive except for you. You know I’d romp on you with only 3 of my cylinders firing. It’s people like you who ruin this board. The rest of the people in this thread were just talking back and forth. So my hats off to you, for being the dumbest fücking person on this thread! I have one question to leave you: how’s it feel to spend thousands of dollars and still have a car that I could romp with $50 in mods? Toolbox. [/B]
Hey Formz… my apologies for that post… i was just being sarcastic… should have known better since i don’t know you. but that was actually the point i was trying to make… that “Who cares?” that’s why i said “do what you like”. someone might like putting a supercharger on his teg… some may perfer turbo… some may perfer to drive a integra, and some may perfer an Eagle Talon. i just get annoyed when people make comments like “it’s worthless” etc… especially when there are people who have put alot of sweat into doing this on their car… they take it personally (even if you didn’t mean it that way)… just like my post was just to prove a point and say MY opinion… which unfortunately you took personally.