Originally posted by VTECbound92teg
supposed to be 3 holes, somehow there’s 9
by the way, why don’t you just bondo that bish before ordering a whole new hatch?
Originally posted by 90RioGS
wtf are you talking about?
Thats what i am talking about.
Originally posted by KraZEtEggIE
the hatch sure as hell does…our hoods are pretty flimsy but still must help
I think that the hatch holds up part of rear-upper part of the car.
Havnt you heard that squeaking sound…
I wanted to buy a cf hatch anyways so I figured now would be an opportune(spelling) time to do it.
I have a GB under these, but theres no amount of people needed. Straight out $375 + ship. I think VIS is selling them for around 450.
Originally posted by iNteGraz92
i don’t think it weighs that much, most of the weight is from the glass, so i don’t know whats so great about a cf hatch, unless u replace the glass w/ lexan or something. that would be nice and legal too, lol
Have you ever lifted the thing without the struts? Go try it. Its HEAVY. like 100 lbs heavy.
Originally posted by KraZEtEggIE
well its like all the idiots do cf hoods for autox… ppl dont like stiff bodies anymore???
BWAHAHAHAHAH
Originally posted by Devlins 91LS
Have you ever lifted the thing without the struts? Go try it. Its HEAVY. like 100 lbs heavy.
And I wonder why I don’t come to G2IC anymore…
The hatch does not weigh 100 lbs. When my Integra was getting a new hatch a few years ago, I had the new hatch minus the glass in my hands… maybe 30 lbs. The glass…maybe 40. You think it’s so heavy because of the angle and the height you lift it to.
About the rigidity arguement… those that actually think the hatch considerably stiffens up the car… go look at the gaps between the hatch and the body. Are you telling us that even though theres about 1/8" gap, it holds the car solid? Boy, that’s a strong ass gasket if that’s the case, cause that is all that’s holding the hatch sealed… regardless of the hinges or the latch. I’ve driven my car without the hatch and there was NO difference. I went from the body shop to my house and noticed nothing. A rear strut bar is going to help out WAY more than the hatch. I noticed more of a difference in the chassis flex without my front upper strut bar than I did without my hatch.
About the carbon fiber… have you guys ever looked at your hatch? It doesn’t really look the same as a hood does it? It has almost no flat spots, except where the wing goes. Aside from that, the rest of it is thin, rigid and full of curves and valleys. A carbon fiber hatch in this case would work “almost” just as well as the factory one. Those angles are not going to let the CF flex as much as you think… that is if it’s really quality carbon fiber. I’d never buy a VIS product regardless of how it looks. This is why…
My brother came over to my house this morning and showed me his progress on his Carbon Fiber trunks for the EK coupe. He had 3 different samples, 2 flat, one curved. They went from very thin to thick. The thick samples were just as strong as the metal on the trunk. He can also do Carbon Kevlar and ANY other color he wants. You guys are buying something that you have NO control over. I can make MY hatch as thick as I want, with THE BEST quality control possible. I can also make the piece that goes under the windsheild with the wipers as thick as I want, as well as a rear hatch cargo cover, and whatever else I want.
I know you guys might think wording this in a “I’m better than you” sort of way. I’m not. You guys need to think about things you do or say before it’s done. For instance…
A carbon fiber hatch with a Lexan window and you still want to use the defroster? Okay. Kinda like saying you want a 11 second car that retains a stock idle and passes smog. Kinda eff’n unrealistic.
I decided a little while ago I wasn’t going to be like those Civic guys. Bolt on’s work, but being original works better. I’m going to make my own bumpers, and all the little CF products I need by myself. Why spend 700- 800 dollars on a bodykit when I can make one ten times better, the style I want it and have pride in it for 1/4 the cost?
That’s it. Flame me all you want. I know a lot of people here think I’m a dick, but I think a lot of you get ripped off way too much. I’d love to make all this stuff for G2IC, but unfortunately, no one understands what it really takes to make a QUALITY product and I know most of you won’t pay what it’s worth. For example: The poor guy that busted his ass tomake the CF lips. All most of you did was low ball this guy. You wanted something that no one really made for almost nothing. It amazes me how a car so nice could have a following that is so CHEAP. Go to www.glamisdunes.com, look at some of the Sand Cars in there… hell, talk to some of the people in there. They spend upwards of $15k for aluminum work on ONE car…and they don’t bitch about it. Why? Cause they know what it took to make it. You guys think that because “WE” want 20 CF lips that the price should go down. That’s wrong. If “WE” want 20 lips, that means that someone is going to have to work extrememly hard to hit that goal…why take money out of his pocket?
Flame, flame, flame… It’ll just let me know who the kids are in here (even though I can see that from the 99% of worthless posts on the website) and who has “Mommy” wipe their ass still.
I’ve made my friends here and they understand where I’m coming from. Don’t need to make any more.
:rant: :stfu:
i wish i didn’t just waste 3 mins reading that…
Well not too seem like I am just chiming in, I think what you said was fine. People on here confuse a lot of times what they want and what they’ll pay for. Its a tough line that a lot of people walk.
And I think that maybe even the theory of a carbon fiber trunk might be a little much. I know its all fun and games but I’d hate to be in that car if someone rear-ended me and sent little cabon fiber shards everywhere. That might be a little extreme but maybe that’s just me.
We are all entitles to our own opinion and as long as we can be respectful I think its all good.
Rut
omg…that was the biggest soapbox lecture i have ever read on this site.
- Not all of us have access or the ability to make our own cf products.
- Wanting cheap prices for stuff isnt ridiculous, it makes alot of sense. Hell, i worked hard powdercoating a b18b valvecover, but im not tryin to sell it for $90. (Its for sale tho.)
- Unless you wanna come to WI and teach me how to get and mold CF into cool little peices for my car, relax and stop lecturing us.
Like I said, I’m not here to make friends. I tried that for years and only got disrespected… hence the attitude in ALL of my posts these days.
Ineedboost:
1.You’re right, not everybody has access to making CF products… that’s why you do what it takes to get there. I thought my brother was off his rocker trying to pull this off…guess what, a week later he’s got samples in my hand. It’s not that hard, you just have to do it.
2. Low prices on mass produced parts vs. a custom part is a HUGE difference. I expect low prices on over the counter products, not something that is one of a kind and hand made by one or two individuals.
3. I don’t have to teach anyone anything. If you want it done, go find out for yourself. No one taught my brother, yet access to the Internet and simple fiberglass skills yielded a finished product. Practice makes perfect.
RutRoe: You’re right. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Not everyone can understand that though… definitely not everyone on this board.
Streetracer007: I’m sorry. Didn’t mean to waste your time. I’ll change my sig to list all the JDM parts I have so I can be cool like you. Will you forgive me then? Wait, the JDM bandwagon is full. :sad:
sorry to say in order to make a kit for $200, you would need to already have a mold made and then it would still be a good deal. a year or two ago i was going to start a company making fiberglass and carbon fiber products however it was going to cost too much. people would be paying as much as other companies were charging. good side would be all products would be thick as hell. well turns out i found a shop i could rent from a friend, and it would only cost me $5000 for the materials(would need 5g worth of supplies to pay for tools, rent, labor, and supplies)…too bad i didnt have 5g’s. i figure in a few years i might try to start it. till then i just do the fiberglassing me and my bro need to do to make whatever custom parts we are putting on our cars. i am still thinking about starting to sell smaller parts out of my garage. point is even with the shop i was going to start it would cost me about 500-1000 for a mold that would be re-usable and would make near perfect parts. for a pos one time mold that might not even make a straight piece and would definately take a whole lot of time to install, im sure i could make it for about 100-200, then add about 200 to make the actual kit. i have seen people just mold the prototype on the car but thats just mexican. kits only cost about $350 new y the hell would u want to make ur own? we have modified plent of kits and they look great and arent pieces of shit, but still are very custom looking. supplies should cost more than 350 no matter what you are doing if you make ur own kit. to the people who dont think it costs this much remember the parts are large so you will need would to make a frame along with enough fiberglass/matte to make the mold stay straight while you are laying the fiberglass. im going to make a few rear filler panels for a 2dr teg and im expecting to spend about 100 on the mold and another 100 for every 4 panels. it will cost more if i decide to put gelcoat on them but im not sure if im going to yet. o well peace
Re- usable molds DO NOT cost that much to make. My brother has made fiberglass Eclipse rear bumpers more than once with the same mold. They look factory and are much stronger than any kit out there.
Those $350 kits you’re speaking of are parts that would NEVER go on my car. A genuine Ground Designs Black Widow kit goes for a minimum of $600 for something that isn’t ghetto thin. My old Wings West Wide Mouth front bumper goes for at least $250.
I’m not sure where you’re getting your materials, but you need to look elsewhere. I can get a 5 gallon drum of fiberglass resin for $50 (DMC, not crap resin). I can also get 5 yards of 54" wide Fiberglass mat for less than that.
Not trying to start another argument, just wondering who’s taking you for your loot. Either that or my materials supplier really hooks it up.
Anyway, back to the original topic…
I believe if you WERE to order a CF hatch and throw it on your car, there wouldn’t be any issues with the car flexing. If you feel it does flex, a strut bar and one of “Ben’s upper seatbelt bars” would “solidify” your concerns. But, like I said before, I don’t think it’s an issue.
I know you guys think I’m full of it…that’s cool, I’m used to people in here not believing me… just search for “Gude” and you’ll see all the arguments I’ve been in. None of you have ever met me or rode in the LS (except for Loc from B17A.com) so why would you believe it? Well, here’s something for your eyes to gaze upon…
www.speedcontest.com
This is my brother’s shop. This is what we do.
Originally posted by AllMotorLS
[BStreetracer007: I’m sorry. Didn’t mean to waste your time. I’ll change my sig to list all the JDM parts I have so I can be cool like you. Will you forgive me then? Wait, the JDM bandwagon is full. :sad: [/B]
:lol: All i was saying is nobody wants to be lectured by you!
I think “INeedBoost” got the point across to you with his reply…
and sorry my sig offended you sir, i will try to do something about it…:roll:
Originally posted by AllMotorLS
Wait, the JDM bandwagon is full. :sad:
it’s never full!!!
Originally posted by streetracer007
[B and sorry my sig offended you sir, i will try to do something about it…:roll: [/B]
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Yea man Im sorry but those numbers are through the roof. I am going to be buying a vaccume setup so that I can move on from layups and get into infusion molds, and it doesnt cost anywhere near that; However, do be prepared for some serious sweat equity. The reason why I am chosing to learn the trade is that I have a new project up my sleeve that is going to require a one off body panels and composites are a much better choice then metal for someone with my resources. Plus with molds, replacements are only a few hours away if something happens and I need repairs. The way I see it is if you want something truely done right, you either need some serious capital to throw around, or do it yourself. Would I consider making bolt-on parts for the da, maybe, but only if it was worth my time and investment
As far as prices go you are going to need a couple hundred to get a decent vacume and required accessories. Then I would start with fiberglass to learn the technique (allows you to use polyester over epoxy plus fiberglass matt is much cheaper then cf) and to build the molds there are a number of ways. I plan to make a mock up from foam with a fiberglass layup, but you would be retarded to buy the molds if you were serious about running a business off of it. Once you have your finished molds and have learned the infusion techniques it is rather cheap and simple to make copies. Now maybe you were talking about buying an autoclave, but many of the parts on the market even today are not made from pre-pregnated composites. Of course you would be right in the cost of that, but it is not necessary for what you are looking into.
i will add my 2 cents. i was one of the first 6 people in the country to buy and install a VIS CF hatch and it fits like SH*T!!! the gaps between the hatch and the trunk are terrible! be warned, lots of CF parts fit like CRAP! my advice, stay OEM and get a FAL window.