auto to manual conversion - shimming tranny mount w/ pics

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i’ve been helping a few guys out with they’re conversions, and the transmission mount shimming is a few things that was a little confusing. and there were some who thought it was a straight drop in with the stock transmission mount into an automatic norm. engine bay. the new bolts will probrably have a different head size. stock is 17mm i think, and now my new bolts are 19mm.

there are 5 bolts holding the whole mount together to the transmission. and there is one that already has a bolt welded to the lower tranmission mount plate. then uses a nut at the top. that bolt is long enough to place the spacer/nut onto, and still be able to bolt on.
there is one bolt that threads in from the bottom, going up… you can reach it from under the car, and a very long extension.

any other suggestions are welcome. im not sure about using washers or not, i’ve been using my shimmed mount for about 6 months or so now… and it’s been fine without washers.

first, here’s the list of parts your going to need.

-5 bolts. apprx. one inch longer then your stock bolts that bolts into the transmission & mounting plate. make sure to bring your stock bolts in when purchasing the new bolts. make sure threads and pitch are perfect & the new bolts are rated 8 or higher. (8 is the number of how they rate the strength of the bolt)

-6 nuts. each are half inch tall, and if possible, loosly threads onto the 5 new bolts that you bought. but if you cant find any nuts that will thread on slightly, then you can go loose, but it’s just slightly more difficult to install.

here’s the steps for how the stock mounts are, how it is apart, and how to shim the manual transmission mount to bolt on, into an automatic norm. engine bay. i suggest if anyone is doing this conversion, on a 1990 - 1991 integra, to use the driver side motor mount from a 1992-1993 integra. they are slightly longer, and will reduce stress on the mount. the manual transmission mount compared to the auto transmission mount, lining up to the engine bay’s mounting point, is 1 inch vertically too high, and about 3/4 of an inch horizontally too far out. you can stretch the mount to fit using a large pry bar though.
also, when installing the shimmed mount into an engine bay, i suggest having a friend help. lining up the spline isnt fun to do alone, but it is possible. i’ve done it a couple of times…

1 - how the stock mount normally bolts together

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/pf09a892dd97ed68789379051e85ba34c/f946d74e.jpg

2 - how the mount is assembled

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/p3e6f82df3c75da70001fd0d4b93ee59e/f946d758.jpg

3 - two pieces of the mount separated

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/p69ca709dc8096510125312c7aa13e8c0/f946d755.jpg

4 - two pieces of the manual transmission mount

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/p0ce8af18562c5d57278fbc7eb5736c12/f946d73d.jpg

5 - how the mount will line up (pic showing them sitting side by side)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/pcfa37379d1224e14885e052f2da1da26/f946d752.jpg

6 - the mount will sit on the plate like this

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/pc9d2cdb1481c1763f1e9029700f348d8/f946d744.jpg

7 - the bolts. comparing new to old. new on the left, old on the right. with the new nut/spacer on the far left

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/pe118dc9f68cbde78339ccfdd7359e882/f946d760.jpg

8 - a closer look at the bolts

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/pe3eb4e0f5477252be4f82b7279878f8a/f946d749.jpg

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9 - the new bolt with the new nut. the nut being the 1/2 inch spacer.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/p4e5f2855497311bf1c0129e4f270db3c/f946d73b.jpg

10 - the nut/spacer being on the new bolt. it has to slightly thread on, so it wont lock the bolt into place, or it can be loose, like a washer/spacer. just when it’s slightly threaded on, it wont be dropped as much when trying to install it when the tranny is in the engine bay.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/p57654b22fc918ade614e958760f9de10/f946d763.jpg

11 - sit a nut on each threaded hole on the tranny

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/p153b7907c9fd0a0e6a97906a807d88e3/f946d741.jpg

12 - sit the lower mounting plate of the transmission onto the top of the nuts, then bolt it down.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/p5b2ee776a5263e7b75cebf9bd7ff5628/f946d75a.jpg

13 - sit a nut on each hole on the transmission mount plate, then put the mount on the nuts, then bolt it down.
[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/p2cf2a9acae78fe42294daa10bb165f21/f946d74c.jpg[/img
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/p2cf2a9acae78fe42294daa10bb165f21/f946d74c.jpg

HTH
any questions or anything, feel free to email me.

tegboi@hotmail.com

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whoa… damit…

can anyone host these pics for me? 13 images, 60 - 80k each

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here’s the imagestation album if anyone has it… you have to go through pictures using the drop down thing. the pictures didnt get onto the album in order.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287383371

i suggest signing up for it, it’s free, and you can upload images from your computer.

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hey tegboi, just curious, how long have you had your swap done with the mount shimmed? cuz i was talking to my friend about it (i’ve talked to you online b4) and he said if he shimmed it, it would be more likely to brake then if he just cut the mount and put a 5 speed mount on. So just wondering how long your’s has held up and if it’s tweaked at all or ne thing, and how strong it’s held up to be.

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mine… probrably maybe september of '03, and since then, have been to the track, taken long drives, driven hard on the freeway, and had a little road course & mountain runs with it…

it holds strong as long as you use quality grade 8 or higher bolts.

i highly suggest shimming over new mount being welded on…

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i dunno i can’t talk him out of it and he’s done like 50 of these swaps so i guess i’ll just have to trust what he says. as long as it works and gets done and don’t look like shit im cool. He’s the one that’s gotta weld it not me.

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My solution:

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oh yeah, i forgot about that mount. what’s it off of? how much is it? where do i get it, and will it work with the automatic tranny chasi without any modification?

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i did the same thing. i played with a series of nut and washer combinations below and inbetween the mount pieces until the holes lined up without any force. i also had to widen some of the holes, which i wasnt expecting but i guess every car is different. i think the es motor mount inserts played a role as they allowed little to no movement.

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That mount is made by Place Racing specificly for Automatic DA’s looking to swap in a manual cable transmission.

Zero modifications are required on the car.

I must add that if you were looking for a nice quite ride to look elsewhere.

I installed one Place Racing mount on my car today (the front one) and can feel everything the engine is doing.

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that equals money… money i dont have…

so this mod is for the cheapskates, like me… :stuck_out_tongue:

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Tegboi, that’s correct. The Place Racing conversion mount costs close to $150. If you’re looking to do a tranny swap on a budget, you can’t beat shimming.

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if your still looking to host the pics… just drop me an email

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that’d be great if u could… here’s where all the pics are…

imagestation gallery : http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287383371