i was under the impression that crane had the best cams for our cars until i came here and see everyone talking about crower cams.Which one is better for a stock gs integra with cai and ehaust and chip
Well, I’ve heard the Crane are similar, but most people on here have Crowers, including me, and I love them.
You wont feel as much of a difference unless you get an exhaust header. I personally recommend the crower 403’s, however you will also need the dual coil valvesprings to use them safely.
hey zero, what times are you pulling with that set up???
Hasn’t been run. Finishin up some things on it. Wanna wait for some JDM ITR pistons first. A similar setup in a gen2 that weighed 2550 pulled a 13.7
Hasn’t been run. Finishin up some things on it. Wanna wait for some JDM ITR pistons first. A similar setup in a gen2 that weighed 2550 pulled a 13.7
I weigh about 100 pounds less and will have between 11:1 and 11.5:1 compression when they had ~10:1. I also need to get it all tuned once the pistons are in. I’ll be sure to post a slip when its all finished.
u should make ur sig a LOT smaller. :tsk: Just some friendly advice.
Originally posted by zero_effect
Hasn’t been run. Finishin up some things on it. Wanna wait for some JDM ITR pistons first. A similar setup in a gen2 that weighed 2550 pulled a 13.7
13.7 with a b18a and a b18b head? highly doubtful.
http://www.g2ic.com/members/turbo/g2guru
compare the setups. something doesn’t quite add up.
Ok, pay attention to what counts. Didnt see any headwork there, riding on 17inch wheels which our cars do not make enough torque to spin well, and all of "MSD SCI-L Ignition (Rev Limit @ 9400rpm), MSD High Vibration Coil, MSD Pro Distributor Cap, STR Cam Seal, Yellow Moroso 8mm Spark Plug Wires, Custom Polished Valve Cover, Tenzo R Valve Cover Insert, STR Polished VTEC Purge Solenoid Cover, Greddy 1.3 Radiator Cap, Mugen Thermostat, Optima Deep Cycle Battery, Stinger Platinum Battery Terminals, Yellow Silicon Vacuum Hoses. " does not add to 1/4mi times at all. Nice car, but not setup for drag. And with that setup I have I’ve seen a CRX hit mid 12’s, and a Gen2 hit mid/high 13’s, and I have more work done then the gen2. It’s very doable, the fact that I dont have vtec doesnt mean anything, I still have an 8500rpm redline where I make power all the way up there, and if you want to compare torque numbers between my B18a/B18bhybrid and his B18c/B18c5 hybrid I think you’ll be shocked. The benefit he has with Vtec is its much easier for him to pass emissions then it is for me. I don’t think the estimates ppl have been giving me for my times are far off either, since I cut her loose half built the other day and took out my friend’s 97 3000gt by 2 cars and my other friend’s Transam GTA by a car in a 3 way race, and my friend says his transam runs high 13’s, which I find unlikely because I don’t think I am that fast. I got a week off from work and am gonna be workin on the car everyday. Gotta setup a breather on my power steering system and some other stuff. Either way, when I finish it up I’ll post slips and a dyno after I get it dyno tuned with everything together.
O, and he is using toda spec b cams. Toda cams were not designed for drag racing, they produce a lot of midrange because toda isnt a drag company, they build parts for road racing. If he had Jun3’s he would be faster in the 1/4mi.
okay buddy. no headwork eh? i’ll let Dan speak for himself on this one. i think a thousand dollar Portflow port and polish and replacing all the internals counts for something.
you think he ran on his 17’s on the track? c’mon.
My apologies. I missed the portflow headwork. However, nowhere in his profile does he say he wasnt on 17’s, either way I know what I’ve seen along with many other people. And that is b18b’s running 12’s in CRX’s and 13’s in gen2’s. Either way a B18b has much more torque then a B18c5. He does however have a very nice setup, I’ll be the first to admit that. I really like his car. It isnt, however, optimized for drag racing, as he should be willing to admit, otherwise he would be running Jun3’s. He prob wants an all around nice car rather then a drag racing beast, which I don’t blame him for, the Toda spec B’s are nice, lots of midrange. I would however, love to see a dyno of his car to see what kinda power he is making so maybe we could compare to the b18b’s I’ve seen that run fast in the 1/4. I will pretty much bet that past 100mph he would pull pretty hard on most b18b’s. Either way I’d love to talk to Dan because I wanna hear more about his setup.
No reason to make this into a pissing contest, its all friendly, I’ve got no reason to lie about my setup, because if I didn’t believe in the b18b I wouldnt be running it and putting any effort into making it fast. The reason I am going through all this trouble is because I have seen a select few ridiculously fast B18b’s which were N/A due to their torque.
Also B18c5’s are handbuilt, and a fair number of them are significantly weaker and lose to B18c’s due to the margin of error possible by humans.
Originally posted by zero_effect
You wont feel as much of a difference unless you get an exhaust header. I personally recommend the crower 403’s, however you will also need the dual coil valvesprings to use them safely.
Not true. Crower 403’s are fine on stock valvetrain. Just make sure the valves are adjusted correctly and you have your stock rev limit.
To use them safely, even crower says get the springs. Ive seen a lot of ppl break their valvetrain running 403’s at the track
Originally posted by zero_effect
To use them safely, even crower says get the springs. Ive seen a lot of ppl break their valvetrain running 403’s at the track
not if you rev to your stock revline. that’s what he’s talking about.
Is it worth getting the 403’s if you’re only gonna rev to stock redline?
Or will you see more gains if you raise the redline (with new valve springs + retainers etc) ?
Originally posted by joeygill
[B]Is it worth getting the 403’s if you’re only gonna rev to stock redline?
Or will you see more gains if you raise the redline (with new valve springs + retainers etc) ? [/B]
obviously it’s “better” to get valvetrain upgrade at the same time. I personally wouldn’t just get cams without upgrading my valvetrain, but you can just rev to your stock redline if you want. you should ask g2integrity above since he has 403’s without valvetrain.
I love my 403’s on stock redline. For one, I get to keep my stock ECU. Also, with my stock ECU I don’t have to worry about breaking anything because of my stock rev limit. The 403’s are peaky, but cam gears at +2/-2 should move the powerband down a tad. Mine are now tuned at +3/-1. Just look at my dyno, I think it speaks for itself as far as 403’s on stock springs and stock rev limit.
Check this out:
“We built a 95 LS with a ported head (DPR), RC monster-bore T-body (66 or 68mm), Longer valves (so that rocker geometry is correct withreground cams), adjustable cam gears, and some big cams. Thehead was milled and the engine runs at about 10:1 compression.He also has DC headers, Thermal exhaust, iceman intake, no cat.We tried 3 different cam sets, a medium grind from DPR that made 153 hp at the wheels, but still idled good (all dyno numbers are from a Dynojet dyno), a set of JG 301s that made 171 hp to the wheels, but we had to increase fuel pressure and the idle sucked. The last set was the newer Gude cams and they made 174 hp to the wheel, and their idle sucked too. Actually,
it sounds kinda cool, like blup, ba, bup-bup, bup, bup, bup-ba. This
particular car runs mid 13s on slicks. He ran back to back 13.55s at 98+ mph with some weight reduction. If you consider a 14% loss of power through the drivetrain, this particular B18B makes around 202 hp at the flywheel. (his rpm limit was removed, and peak power is about 7500 rpm. Torque was about 138 or 139 to the wheels (161 ft lbs to the flywheel).”
This was a Project LS built in 1998-1999. Notice some things. First off, they could have ran a better header and better cams like crower to make much more power. Second, 10:1 compression? You can go to 11:1 on pump gas and make more power. Some weight reduction? This was in a gen3. My car (and the 13.7 car) both weigh several hundred pounds less then their gen3 LS. (They had really minor weight reduction). They ran on slicks with an inferior setup (Due to parts being much better now then they were 5 years ago), more weight, and posted a time less then the other guys gen2. Lots of LS’s on Htech are posting similiar numbers to the LS’s I’ve spoke of. Just goes to show Vtec isnt everything.
O yeah, and that was on an LS tranny. On a GSR/SI/ITR tranny with LSD would have posted faster times too. Better 60ft times. Just some encouragement to those ppl that want a fast LS. 