"By extending the ball joint on the front lower control arm, the Buddy Club P1 Racing Ball Joint raises the roll center and brings it closer to the center of gravity, thus increasing the vehicle’s roll stiffness and eliminating any unwanted side effects to the vehicle’s suspension geometry.
The ball joint dust boots are sturdy and snug and will withstand heat and the rigors of racing much better than your factory dust boots. The included castle nuts are strong and will not strip. Kit also includes split pins and snap rings.
The Buddy Club P1 Racing extended ball joints help return the suspension geometry to its ideal position while still allowing you to lower your car’s center of gravity. Furthermore, they maximize vehicle tire grip by allowing increased front camber adjust ability."
how do they come pair to oem ball joint ??? how do they last under stress in the racing world ??? how or can it help axles aliment???
I have them but haven’t been able to do any real world testing. They work by realigning the suspension geometry on lowered cars. Basically, when you lower your car your front lower control arms angle up from a front perspective. Using these allows your control arms to retain a more neutral position when lowered.
It doesn’t raise your car. Has nothing to do with height. It simply displaces the axle back into a neutral position on lowered cars. I can try to take a few pics when my phone charges.
^Installing these WILL change the ride height of the vehicle. (Which is generally irrelevant because 99% of people have adjustable ride height suspension these days) http://forums.nwp4life.com/zerothread?id=19297&page=1
[QUOTE=Colin;2317894]^Installing these WILL change the ride height of the vehicle. (Which is generally irrelevant because 99% of people have adjustable ride height suspension these days) http://forums.nwp4life.com/zerothread?id=19297&page=1[/QUOTE]
Exactly why I asked, I know how and what it does.
Think it’s pointless since if it raises my car a tad more to align the axle to stock position, I would lower it a tad more rendering the extension pointless.
And that ball joint goes under the hub which is already on a fixed height so it would really just push down the lower arm .
[QUOTE=da6xsi06;2317925]Exactly why I asked, I know how and what it does.
Think it’s pointless since if it raises my car a tad more to align the axle to stock position, I would lower it a tad more rendering the extension pointless.
And that ball joint goes under the hub which is already on a fixed height so it would really just push down the lower arm .[/QUOTE]
Read the thread I linked you to, it is not pointless and it does have an effect of changing the roll center. How useful or beneficial it is to make this change is completely up for debate, but I think you’re still not understanding the point of the modification. Pushing the lower arm down is exactly the point of these extended ball joints (aka roll center adjusters). Retaining the same ride height and altering the angle of the LCA is exactly how you alter the roll center to get it closer to what it was before you lowered the car and messed up the original suspension geometry.
You’re missing the point entirely. The goal of lowering your car is not to change the suspension geometry, the goal is to lower the center of gravity. When you lower your car you generally also stiffen the springs which has a performance benefit of it’s own - but you could also lower the car and keep your spring rates constant (although not a great idea). Additionally, as a byproduct of lowering the car you will add negative camber, which again, has a performance benefit but is not the goal of lowering the car. If negative camber was your goal then you’d just install a camber kit and not lower it at all.
Those are positive benefits that go along with lowering a car, but there are also some downsides. The first one being suspension travel. You greatly reduce your usable suspension travel when you lower your car - which may not be the end of the world but should be looked at as a negative. Another byproduct of lowering the car is that you negatively affect the roll center of the vehicle, the extended ball joints are a way to combat that affect. The same way that you use extended top hats to combat reduced suspension travel. Another example is in the rear of the car, when you lower an Integra you end up with a very extreme angle in your rear trailing arm, they now make offset trailing arm bushings which helps reduce this affect.
Some byproducts of lowering/raising are good, others are not. Over the years, for all type of vehicles, people have developed suspension components which allow you to lower or raise your vehicle AND reduce the negative affects on suspension geometry. The goal being to gain as much benefit from lowering/raising the vehicle while simultaneously limiting the negative side-effects that lowering/raising a vehicle may have on your suspension geometry. Have your cake and eat it too.