Impossible to idle with 404's @ 0,0?

Originally posted by G2Integrity
[B]Oh lord, please don’t think LS/VTEC can be accomplished for under $1,000. That is just a pipe dream.

And again, 403’s on stock springs are fine. [/B]

fresh stock springs yes. If your springs are soft, then it would not be a good idea. All depends on the condition of your motor so i guess we’re both right :cool:

A non-built up ls/vtec can be had for about $1g, which would probably just be slapping the head on. It wouldnt be the “monster” ls/vtec everyone thinks aobut when you say ls/vtec, ,but it would still be ls/vtec. :stuck_out_tongue:

Originally posted by notecLS
Just by bolting on the head, only expect maybe 20, remember he wont be revving to 8000 rpm…

please tell me why only 20hp is gained from this swap?
(91 ls=130 and 94 gsr=170) since a ls/vtec displaces more than a gsr then shouldn’t the hp be at least equal! to be safe, the ls bottom end should be limited to 7000rpm but even at that rpm you’ve gained at least 30!

Originally posted by G2Integrity
[B]Oh lord, please don’t think LS/VTEC can be accomplished for under $1,000. That is just a pipe dream.

And again, 403’s on stock springs are fine. [/B]

then you don’t know what you’re doing! i did an ls/vtec swap for $800. so it’s your pipe dream

Originally posted by db2b17a-R
[B]

please tell me why only 20hp is gained from this swap?
(91 ls=130 and 94 gsr=170) since a ls/vtec displaces more than a gsr then shouldn’t the hp be at least equal! to be safe, the ls bottom end should be limited to 7000rpm but even at that rpm you’ve gained at least 30!

then you don’t know what you’re doing! i did an ls/vtec swap for $800. so it’s your pipe dream [/B]

Good luck on that motor lasting. And you redline at 7,000 rpm, that is such a waste. Most VTEC motors hit peak torque and horsepower well above 7,000 rpm.

Originally posted by db2b17a-R
[B]

please tell me why only 20hp is gained from this swap?
(91 ls=130 and 94 gsr=170) since a ls/vtec displaces more than a gsr then shouldn’t the hp be at least equal! to be safe, the ls bottom end should be limited to 7000rpm but even at that rpm you’ve gained at least 30!

then you don’t know what you’re doing! i did an ls/vtec swap for $800. so it’s your pipe dream [/B]

gsr redline = 8000
ls redline = 7000

ls will make 1/8 less hp due to less revving

170 * 7/8 = 148.75

gsr has a better stock exhaust manifold, ,ls has like 30cc more displacement, those sort of balance themselves out.

And yes I know theres many variables i didnt throw in liek torque curve and stuff, but its still pretty close.

what no1 has some non-vtec Gude heads they wanna sell for a grand???

thx for the heads up

Originally posted by G2Integrity
Good luck on that motor lasting. And you redline at 7,000 rpm, that is such a waste. Most VTEC motors hit peak torque and horsepower well above 7,000 rpm.

why wouldn’t the motor last if the redline is kept 7000k or under? wouldn’t it still be similiar to a stock ls as far reliability?
even if you don’t get the full benefit of the higher redline of a vtec motor it’s still better than spending 1g on an intake and exhaust(+5hp).

Originally posted by notecLS
[B]gsr redline = 8000
ls redline = 7000

ls will make 1/8 less hp due to less revving

170 * 7/8 = 148.75

gsr has a better stock exhaust manifold, ,ls has like 30cc more displacement, those sort of balance themselves out.

And yes I know theres many variables i didnt throw in liek torque curve and stuff, but its still pretty close. [/B]

hp is not broken down as simply as your calculations.
and no manifold and displacement don’t balance out.
this chart measures to the wheels of stock 96 gsr
RPM HP Torque
3000 60.2 105.4
3500 63.2 102.1
4000 77.3 101.5
4250 82.1 101.5
4500 86.3 100.8
4750 95.0 105.0
5000 99.5 104.6
5250 105.6 105.7
5500 110.4 105.4
5750 116.3 106.2
6000 129.2 113.1
6250 131.2 110.2
6500 135.0 109.1
6750 138.3 107.6
7000 140.4 105.4
7250 142.8 103.4
7500 144.3 101.0
7750 143.8 97.4

Originally posted by db2b17a-R
hp is not broken down as simply as your calculations.
and no manifold and displacement don’t balance out.
this chart measures to the wheels of stock 96 gsr
RPM HP Torque
3000 60.2 105.4
3500 63.2 102.1
4000 77.3 101.5
4250 82.1 101.5
4500 86.3 100.8
4750 95.0 105.0
5000 99.5 104.6
5250 105.6 105.7
5500 110.4 105.4
5750 116.3 106.2
6000 129.2 113.1
6250 131.2 110.2
6500 135.0 109.1
6750 138.3 107.6
7000 140.4 105.4
7250 142.8 103.4
7500 144.3 101.0
7750 143.8 97.4

big difference in compression between the gsr and ls pistons…
post the actual dyno chart

big difference! if you put a b16 head on a stock ls block you’ll get 9.5cr and 9.7cr with a gsr head. remove one layer of the stock head gasket and you’ve raised cr by .2
94-up gsr=10.0:1 cr

http://www.dynocenter.com/bstock.html

notecls, i don’t mean to be rude but you need to quit questioning everything i say and do some :read: before you reply!

Originally posted by db2b17a-R
[B]big difference! if you put a b16 head on a stock ls block you’ll get 9.5cr and 9.7cr with a gsr head. remove one layer of the stock head gasket and you’ve raised cr by .2
94-up gsr=10.0:1 cr

http://www.dynocenter.com/bstock.html

notecls, i don’t mean to be rude but you need to quit questioning everything i say and do some :read: before you reply! [/B]

I thought the gsr was like 10.2:1