I beat a b20z integra off the line and all the way till the end of the race I pulled on him quite a bit. I have I/H/E high flow cat, p&p. Its all about knowing how to launch your car. I have beat two dsm`s, ill admit I didnt get my friend off the line he knows how to launch his gsx especially with his act 2600, and the only other thing he has had is boost controller and boost gauge. I beat my friends gsx from a 40mph roll and he is running 16psi, let me tell you it feels damn good to beat a 2.0L turbo car with a 1.6L. I raced another turbo DSM with 3 other people in my car but that was from a 50mph roll, but I still beat it pretty good. The b16a is a good engine and is way faster thanmy friends ls that i drove. I always hear jokes from my friends that my car is a POS untill it hits vtec lol. but yea vtec engages at 5200 on my engine off a custom pr4 vtec converted ecu. I like my engine, i dorve a troque monster 240sx before and I got used the peaky top end over the torque. Bottom line is with bolt ons the b16a could be very decently fast.
Ryan
that sounds like a domestic thing to say and if this was troo u wouldnt be driving a honda.
A stock b20z has 145 Hp… of course you’d beat it with a b16 +goodies
i was tryna get to the off the line part he wasnt a bad driver either.
Ryan
OMG I can’t believe you guys and the mods have let this get to 11 pages. 11 pages of usless crap lol.
this thread is pointless telling what engine’s better, get the one you like and move on
lol, very funny little trick with lettering. But the future of Honda is Vtec. So enjoy your non vtec b18 before it gets older.
LOL. The future is VTEC so I should go out a buy a 15 YEAR OLD b16 engine??? In 1985 the future might have been VTEC. Not now.
It’s so obvious that you don’t care how these engines actually perform, you don’t care that the potential of a b18a is THE SAME as a b16, you just love VTEC, you like saying the WORD, and if you could you would stamp it on your forehead. The b16 is not superior, that’s all there is to it!
Have fun with you 15 year old vtec engine, and your decade old LS/VTEC build that’s been done 8billion times. Maybe tellin all the Hunnies you have VTEC might get you a little action…or not…but at leats you’ll get good gas mileage 
well said 
LOL, it’s true! The strength of honda is NOT VTEC, it’s the ability to build blocks/valvetrains that can withstand extremely high RPM’s(nothing to do with VTEC), allowing you to make surprisingly high horsepower numbers with very little displacement.
You shouldn’t make the mistake of thinking that displacement doesn’t matter, jsut because Honda has been able to squeeze so much out of so little, it doesn’t change the fact that more is still better. If honda made a 5litre block with the same output as the little 1.6litre, they would make 500horsepwer STOCK N/A. There’s no replacement for displacement.
The only reason they needed VTEC is because a cam making power at 8000rpm, doesn’t idle very well! It’s the strength of the engines and quality of parts that make it a honda, not some dumb gimmick called vtec that saves you gas.
:werd: thank you.
:werd: to the extreme 
i never said i think displacement doesnt matter like i said b4 id take a b20z over either motor any day(i loved the torque out of it). but the way that comment was said wit that guy just sounded stupid. again the future isnt vtec correct? but yet all the new developments in engines all seem to have a common technology correct? i mean lets see VVT-i,vtec,ecotec, and theres another one i cant think of the name right now, but doesnt that show that the idea honda came out with the vtec engine just gives it more of an advantage. yes i kno when it also comes to full out road racing motors, vtec is ussually eliminated because the amount of the torque in the powerband there is no need for it. yes the b16 is a 15 year old motor and so is ur b18a so whats the difference of saying that about one motor. again ill say it either motor is good, but dont knock one when its just as good if not better.
newsflash honda did not invent variable valve timing, it goes back to at least the 1930’s, honda just implemented it and brought it tothe mainstream.
vvt is not the future, in 1985 it was “exotic”, it was new it was the future, VTEC is honda’s PAST not it’s future. it’s 2005, VVT it’s a dime a dozen, it’s NOTHING special.
Your argument was that all new engines seem to have VTEC, so that would mean it’s the future? So I guess rocker arms, valvespings and pistons are the future as well?
No one’s saying the ability to use two cam profiles is a bad thing, of course it’s a good thing. it’s just nbothing to write home about, and it’s HARDLY “the future”
Here’s a quick list of VTEC like systems:
BMX VANOS
Ford Variable Cam Timing
GM Variable Valve Timing
Mazda S-VT
Mitsubishi MIVEC
Nissan VVL
Porsche VarioCam
Porsche VarioCam Plus
Rover VVC
Subaru AVCS
Toyota VVT-i
Toyota VVTL-i
Wow, do all of you guys masterbate to engine diagrams or what?
What I mean is that Honda is Vtec. Thats what it is known for, not some large displacement engine. Go to another automobile company for that, I don’t see emblems being made that say, “DOHC NON VTEC”. And all of the talk that I keep hearing about, “Vtec is just a gimmic and it’s just there to save you gas”. Ohhhh please, if anything vtec burns up more gas then anything else. B16’s and b18’s are the same age, I totally agree with you. But a b16 can be built up with much less money then any b18, I’m tired of seeing this done. A b16 will rev up much higher then a b18 because of a much better head design and better valvel train among other aspects. I just see plus’s here guys.
I totally agree.
Plus, for me v-tec is like a surge. I have only rode in 1 B16A DA9 though. 
it’s one thing to say you prefer a high-revving torqueless engine, but please don’t come on spewing your garbage aobut the b16 being MUCH faster, cause it’s completely false.
That’s what it looks like when people actually know what the fuck they’re talking about.
VTEC camshafts are twice as expensive as non-vtec, pistons are the same price, springs same price, fuel controllers same price, headers same price, exhasts all the same price, where do you get this crap???
:hmm: Do you even understand what a camshaft does? Seriously, do you? VTEC means you have SMALLER primary cam-lobes, smaller cam lobes do what? That’s right, they let in LESS air. Less air needs what? That’s right LESS fuel. It was invented for two things, to give you a good idle, and to give you good gas consumption in the lower RPMS. That’s it.
Is the b16a a good motor?
http://www.g2ic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110911&highlight=b16+start
:lol:
i have one but thats still funny