Most tegs weigh in around 2500-2600. For an older Honda that’s a little bit heavy. Most modern sport compacts are a little under 3000 but they also have a lot more HP. Most people consider “light” around 2100 for a street Honda and down around 1800 or less for something like a stripped CRX HF.
either way logically i would pick the b16 to be faster. sorry no vtec guys. i had a b20z in my car and would litterally kill stock gsr’s off the line and until mid 3rd gear and then after that i would get pulled on very quickly. top end the b16 will catch up to the b18a
A B18C is not a B16A. What transmission where you running?
with a b20x w/ b16 tranny you should be runnin mid 15’s, about the same as a stock GSR, meaning he shouldn’t even catch up till somewhere in 4th…
id be upset running mid 15s with a b20z in my car i mean i went 14.4 in a 2400 lb coupe on street tires and how much does a g2 weigh in at? that was with a ls trans too. and not with a b16 trans with a ls trans. a gsr will catch a b20z on top of 3rd i should kno i have raced like a handful at etown they all catch me at the end of the 1320.
but b16s have more hp than a ls yea smell me? that 20 something hp does make a dif up top and i was running a ls trans with a stock b20z
what are you talking about??? First of all, I don’t believe you went 14.4 with a STOCK b20 w/ LS tranny. If that’s not what you were saying then what exactly was your point? A fully built b20 with a short geared tranny could go much faster than 14.4.
The reason you are still in 3rd at the end of the 1/4 mile is because you have that long ass LS tranny, like I said if you had the b16tranny you would be somewhere in 4th when he caught you.
But really what’s your point? You say the b16 has 20hp more, well actually it only has more HP for 1500rpms, in the rest of the powerband belongs the LS is making more horsepower.
Anyways, theory is theory, the fact is slap the identical trannies on these engines, and they’ll run nearly identical times. There’s no debating it. Now add in the fact that the LS is free(comes in the car) and funner to drive(MUCH more torque) the b16 is not a good choice, in my opinion.
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i would think reving higher and having a motor beg for more would be alot more fun(not funner) than a nice low end torqy ls engine. but then again what would i kno i mean i only owned both motors b4. and also bout running 14.4 with stock b20z with a ls tranny i could care less if u hate on that because u wouldnt be able to pull something like that off. straight stats 14.4 @94mph with a 2.108 60’. i averaged 14.5s all day with mid 2.1 60’s on street tires and a ls tranny. thats my point wit da b20 compared to a gsr is the same as comparing a ls to a b16 one has more torque cause its bigger but one has more top end. and i dynoed my ls also compared to my freind’s b16 and besides the higher torque curve(which is great i do love torque in a car). the more power he made was what stock 1rst gen b16 making 140@whp with i/h/e and me making 127 @whp with i/h/e? aside from the fact b16s because its vtec has alot more possibillities to build with than a nonvtec motor(unless ur slapping a vtec head onto it). and plus if i want torque i can make 125+ torque to the wheels with a b16 easily(i.e- cams, valvetrain, and tuning) my freind made 175@whp with 128 torque. even look into the new turbo magazine they have a g2 integra there with a b16 and with bolt ons and cams and valvetrain and IM tuned it made 177@whp lteme see a stock bottom end ls motor make that and ill admit the b16 is worthless.
o yea btw my ls tranny ended the 1/4 in the mid-beg of 4rth gear 
lol. I’m with this guy all the way. It’s nice to have a person around here that likes vtec.
i like vtec, i have vtec. its just not the best thing since the invention of the wheel like some of you make it out to be.
the reason you get a honda is for vtec!!! but i still dont have vtec so it sucks!! id like have a b18c but that isnt gonna happen nor would i think id waste money getting it, next time ill just save for what i want
they way you insist on comparing PEAK numbers, and PEAK power shows that you don’t understand even the basics of a powercurve, an LS doesn’t have to make the same PEAK HP as a b16 to be faster, it only has to have more CUMALATIVE horsepower under it’s powerband.
Here’s a stock bottom end LS, make 165whp, compared to a ITR with bolt-ons and Hondata making 176whp, the ITR has more PEAK horsepower but in real life? The LS walks all over it, and it would walk ALL OVER any b16 making only 178whp.
So, I showed you a stock bottom end LS that is much faster than your 178whp b16. I’m waiting…
oh, and putting an engine that makes less than 80ft-lbs of torque at 2500rpm, in a 2650lb car IS NOT fun! Being completely gutless down low is also not fun. I love a high revving VTEC, but not the b16 in the heavy integra, it’s just too small.
who doesn’t like VTEC? Who wouldn’t like the ability to use a aggressive race cam and maintain a good idle and low end power? VTEC is a great little trick, but it’s nothing all that great, and doesn’t really do anything for power.
I didn’t buy a honda for VTEC, if I did I’d be embaressed, VTEC is not all that great it’s just a little gimmick to allow good mileage and good idle while still using a cam with big lift and duration that can make power at 8000rpms. I’m sure as hell not gonna get a b16 and give up 20-30ft-lbs of torque just so I can tell people I have VTEC. :ghetto:
i have seen that guy’s dyno before on HT and his setup is very nice. but again i can do the same thing and make good torque #s (for a integra to see 125+ torque isnt bad no matter what motor)with a b16. why do u think some of the motors we get are from XSI’s? b16 in there right? either way the b16 motor is not a bad motor for these cars. i mean if u look at a b17 whats the dif in the motors aside from the crank and rods? shiet if i could have my way i wouldve put a b20z in my car but not easy finding a b20z block around nj nowadays. i was going to do a all motor buildup b4 with a ls i kno what to buy and such but with soo much more options for parts a b16 can make power just as easily. say u wanted to do a rebuild for under say 1600? lets see ITR cams,valvetrain, IM ,TB and CTR pistons rebalanced in a block. the ls is limited there. all u could really do is spend shitload more for crower valvetrain and cams and then spend the same amount to rebalance the block with higher compression pistons(CTRs). all imma sayin is dont knock the b16 in the DA i have seen a few do pretty well down the 1/4 for the weight of that car. shiet i knew a kid wit a b16 in a DC2 R while his turbo motor was getting built he threw a b16 in it(1rst gen mind u) and went 14.9 and his car weighed in at 2600 also. so IMO i still think its just as good as a motor if not better than the ls.
granted i agree that u need to rev the shit out of a b16 to make power but yet thtas why i kno alot of people buy s2000s. because the car literally begs u to beat the shit out of it. again its all on what u like ya kno. i like both but a b18 again for me isnt what i have in mind for my lil daily driver. :hump:
btw if u want torque get rid of ur b18a and get a b20z. still my most fav motor so far
also wit the dyno figures go check on the latest issue of turbo mag with the bolt ons with the b16, trying to find my freinds dyno sheet when i do ill show u. either way ull have the torque and powerband to pull it but remember the redlines are 2 entirely different powerbands. where a b18a/b makes power the b16 will continue to make more power also. then again imma ghetto also for liking to rev high probably too :ghetto:
sing to the mickey mouse theme.
l-o-c-k-t-h-i-s-efin-thread, fuckin n00bs. stupid n00bs. what comes after this?
the dancing lock comes next.
yes indeed. this thread is getting very annoying
lol thats real cute almost like ur nonpainted body kit on ur g2???