is the b16A a good motor?

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email me your set up joshod4@aol.com

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@Rockstar1129

92-93 integra, comes with ten more horsepower then the 90-91 version.

rcoop had 117hp, and he had a 92-93. :shrug: :burnout:

@brucehunglo

how so? to build either reliably ull need to buy pistons/rod combo(even if its CTRs on ur car) and better off gettin new bearings and balancing the block for higher revving it still adds up to the same even when u do a crazy port job on a ls head(say dave from headgames) it will still cost u roughly around 1200 bucks just for the headwork alone not including cams and shit. i was going to do a non vtec buildup awhile ago until i saw that spending a lil bit more to do the same with just a lsvtec setup wasnt worth it. but yet again to each his own. a mildly ported head is almost like using a vtec head.

ljoe built a b18a1 with pr3 pistons if i remember right, otherwise stock bottem end. i think he had crower cams and springs too. made good power. i have no idea where you heard a port job costs 1200. a local shop will install valvetrain, mill your head, and give it a mild port for 300-400 depending on the head. add 500 for full valvetrain. still well under a grand.

@Hondasi88

get a B17 and end this thread!

or a 2.2L gsr?

[ljoe]

@92mugenintegra

email me your set up joshod4@aol.com

oh, i didn’t know that was you man. actually i used p30s morgan, huge fucking difference, come on man wtf. along with those i’m running crower 403s, stock valvetrain, but not for long as i plan on porting the head/matching the im and rasing the revs to about 7400.

oh, btw, you send that clock out yet?

[Rockstar1129]

140 hp for a 93-92 and 130 for a 91-90. Those are the stock numbers that honda provides. Remember if your engine is still stock it has at least 11 years on it. So these numbers should get lower over time.

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@Rockstar1129

140 hp for a 93-92 and 130 for a 91-90. Those are the stock numbers that honda provides. Remember if your engine is still stock it has at least 11 years on it. So these numbers should get lower over time.

bahh humbug. lyndon, whats your redline at now?

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@Rockstar1129

140 hp for a 93-92 and 130 for a 91-90. Those are the stock numbers that honda provides. Remember if your engine is still stock it has at least 11 years on it. So these numbers should get lower over time.

I made 131-132 on my 92-93 motor with intake and exhaust =)

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@KraZEtEggIE

rcoop had 117hp, and he had a 92-93. :shrug: :burnout:

made good power. i have no idea where you heard a port job costs 1200. a local shop will install valvetrain, mill your head, and give it a mild port for 300-400 depending on the head. add 500 for full valvetrain. still well under a grand.

or a 2.2L gsr?

uhmm ever heard of HEADGAMES? they have done heads for cars such as bullish racing and many other professional racers. shiet alaniz headjobs are like 2500 for a full race port job. but for 1200 u get a a street/race portjob that a local shop i have seen has yet to match. i for 300-400 i doubt a mild port will flow as well as a vtec head. bet he wouldve made more power wit vtec but then again to each of his own. just voicing an opinion

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@ljoe

i just don’t see any way you could have that much torque. right now i’m making 148/121, and i don’t know how you could have 17 lbs/ft more than me. do tell.

well i made 134/133 in a stock b20 block. just intake, header and test pipe…stock cams, intake manifold and exhaust.

thats why i would be mad with 140-155@whp on a camed and ported ls setup. i seen b20’s make 150@whp on just bolt ons, crower cams and valvetrain and good tuning.

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[MattyG2]

i wonder how much hp i will make, my motor feels really strong since i bought it from a old lady who never raced it

[ljoe]

@brucehunglo

well i made 134/133 in a stock b20 block. just intake, header and test pipe…stock cams, intake manifold and exhaust.

thats why i would be mad with 140-155@whp on a camed and ported ls setup. i seen b20’s make 150@whp on just bolt ons, crower cams and valvetrain and good tuning.

good point, i never thought of the 2.0 block. but for what else you said, i’m not ported as of yet, and i’m running 148@the wheels so i don’t see the big deal with the b20 being so much better.

oh and to answer your question morgan: stock . i can’t wait to see the changes

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@brucehunglo

omniman built a b16 head and made 200@whp on a stock bottom end. not build just amazing headwork and tuning. if ur building a nonvtec motor and only making 150@whp wouldnt u be kinda pissed off? use a vtec head and slightly port the head and some decent camshafts and make closer to 180-200@whp instead.

well my motor should be around 140-150 without the cams that i built the motor for. with the cams, i should have 180+WHEEL horsepower. with about 140-150 ft lbs. which no vtec motor can touch

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@Eviloliv3

well my motor should be around 140-150 without the cams that i built the motor for. with the cams, i should have 180+WHEEL horsepower. with about 140-150 ft lbs. which no vtec motor can touch

doubt that buddy of mine just made 140ft lbs from 3k all the way to redline(8500rpm) check it out its on evans-tuning.com

also from b20z to ls id rather do b20 driven both raced both stock to stock the b20z owns just by torquewise also. my ls made 128whp and 112ft lbs and look how much torque my stock b20 pulled out with the same amount of bolt ons. imagine a b20z with slight portwork and cams? or even one with a gsr head with a skunk2 IM they’ll get up there in torque #s too.

[Eviloliv3]

@brucehunglo

doubt that buddy of mine just made 140ft lbs from 3k all the way to redline(8500rpm) check it out its on evans-tuning.com

also from b20z to ls id rather do b20 driven both raced both stock to stock the b20z owns just by torquewise also. my ls made 128whp and 112ft lbs and look how much torque my stock b20 pulled out with the same amount of bolt ons. imagine a b20z with slight portwork and cams? or even one with a gsr head with a skunk2 IM they’ll get up there in torque #s too.

ive got a B20Z with 84.5mm endyn pistons. 10.7 CR. right now its running through a B18B mani with a P75 head. dc header and thermal catback. it should put out about 140-150 whp. probably around 130s tq. with the 404s ill be using, with neptune (which your friend probably uses), flowing through a JDM ITR header with kteller exhaust, i should probably be seeing in the 180 whp area, with 145 or so ft lbs. on a vtec motor similarly built, you cant get the kind of torque numbers ill be getting

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@ljoe

oh and to answer your question morgan: stock . i can’t wait to see the changes

AHAHAHAHAH. i used to rev my ls to 7k with stock cams. that ebay chip was great. now i rev to 6900 with my c1. fuckin auto ls ecu. if only i didnt fuck my pr3 up.

[ljoe]

what the hell are you using an ls ecu on a c1 for? are you that broke?

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powerband and gearing? :shrug:

HP and Torque. Analyzing power curves. http://www.team-integra.net/sections/articles/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=470

Gearing I: Torque multiplication and Final Drives http://www.team-integra.net/sections/articles/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=707

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@ljoe

what the hell are you using an ls ecu on a c1 for? are you that broke?

fucked my pr3 up. lol. i forget how. me pissed + soldering iron = no more pr3.
doesnt matter car will be sitting untill i get this 94 how i want it.

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@Clift

Might only be a difference of 6-7 lbs max torque, but at what rpm’s does it reach max torque? That makes a huge difference. If I have a teg with a b18a that reaches max torque of 100pd/ft at 1200 rpm and i’m racing a guy with a teg exactly like mine but a b16a and he reaches max torque of 120 pd/ft at 3500 rpms, guess who’s gonna get their ass ripped off the line? We have fairly heavy cars, and we need a lot of low down torque to get them moving. So like you said, 6-7 lbs might not make a difference, but gearing and when the motor reaches peak torque can.

But I just noticed something, we say 6-7 lbs doesn’t make much difference yet we go out and spend thousands on intakes, exhausts etc for the exact same gains :shock:

Heavy? Last time I checked Tegs seemed ligh to me. I’m not tryng to diss you its just that I want to know what cars are you comparing them too. When I had my teg it felt pretty light to me. Specially when I got my 5000 pound supra.
I would rather be driving a teg right now then that car.