every one that uses this header needs to seriously look into this. I could have used this about 2 months ago, and still had a functional header.
Thanks for the link man. I could use this on a install I’m doing. By the way, how’s the car coming along. Shoot me some pics if you can at hyperrevsports@yahoo.com I’m thinking about changing to the ITR suspension but have been a bit lazy.
Battelcat: I’m a little confused as to the benefit of the plate. The stock ITR one seems to a lot more conforming to shape of the header and even has those little pockets for heat disapation. I know the stock one isn’t cheap, like $50.00, but I’m confused as to what you think the original benefit might be.
Enlighten please,
J.
Jason, I believe the one made for the JDM ITR header is just a heat shield (pretty thin stuff). That looks more like a “skid plate” of sorts. Now if it doesn’t rattle now that would be something cool for most G2 owners since the header sits so damn low on our cars.
We are doing a B16 swap into a CRX. The owner purchased a JDM ITR header that he insists on having. From the looks this will help with any minor confrontations with a speedbump, pothole, or chunk of wood:D. Other than that the stock shields are fine IMO.
Good Point Dan:
I didn’t take into account the material and the advantages it might offer to have something thicker, more durable on there. But I can’t help but to think it might really store the heat because it is so thick and isn’t exactly precision cut. One of the big drawbacks of a 4n1 is its close proximety to the pan and its inevitable tendency to heat engine oil. I guess if you live in an apartment complex or are having to constantly traverse speed bumps I can see how useful this part might be…
J.
Dan nailed it.
This plate is designed more towards saving the header from getting the primaries crushed when you bottom out, or hit big ass rocks that someone planted in the road. With the plate in place, it takes the damage that your ITR header would have otherwise incurred. Trust when you get under your car an the tubes look like the one pictured on their site, you wish you had one of these things.
Also, the Race version of the plate is aluminum. Meaning that it radiates heat better, faster, and in all directions versus the stock steel one that does signifiganlty poorer in those regards.
Also, the Race version of the plate is aluminum. Meaning that it radiates heat better, faster, and in all directions versus the stock steel one that does signifiganlty poorer in those regards
I just saw that…couldn’t get to my wallet fast enough and I have the stock one. I would have to disagree as far as the heat disapation characteristics. I think the stock type R one has got to do a better job with its perforations and thinner material(whatever it is), but that doesn’t help much with keeping it in one piece.
I think the type R engine stiffner is the only other part that might want to be used in conjuction with this part(i.e. to keep the engie oil that much cooler). Yeah, I know its a stretch, but maybe just in a perfect world…
J.
What about an external Oil cooler…?
Josh
What about an external Oil cooler…?
Josh: Definetly the best answer of all, just not always feasable with some set-ups!
Oh yeah…Thanks for the link BattelCat
Not feasable w/ what types…turbo?
Josh
Nice find. I would love to run the JDM 4-1 header but the only reason I am not along with other 4-1 header designs is b/c of ground clearance. That skid plate would make a difference in saving the bottom of the header from getting all scraped up or dented. But has anyone thought of long term effects? If you run that header plate, won’t it overtime take a lot of abuse, take a lot of dents and scrapes, significantly start losing some material, and therefore not be as effective in protecting the bottom of the header anymore? And if that’s not the case, what actually does happen when you hit a large rock, or drive over steep speed bumps with a very low header design (with or w/o a skid plate), doesn’t the motor itself (or car) in turn get pushed up slightly? Not sure if that has wear overtime with the mounts. Well I just don’t want to take any chances. Spending money on an aftermarket JDM 4-2-1 header with 2.5" collector maybe a very expensive route, but there are other alternatives that I’m looking at such as the Comptech 4-2-1 or JG/Edelbrock 4-2-1 and modify it with a 2.5" collector. That’s MHO.
Not feasable w/ what types…turbo?
Josh,
let me restate that…“Convenient”. Its pretty much always possible, just not always convenient.
J.
Originally posted by .J.
Josh,
let me restate that…“Convenient”. Its pretty much always possible, just not always convenient.
J.
Gotcha!
Josh
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this is how I see it. Oil temps are going to be “raised” whether you use this skid plate or not. That is going to be corrected by the oil temp switch on the back of the block (if you’re using it) that turns on the fans when it sees increased oil temps.
I believe that the intention of this plate is not to act as as heat shield, but to prevent damage to the header. It does a better job than the stock “heat shield”, (which BTW, were some of the first things to come off my car during lightening), and prevents damage. It costs roughly the same as well.
It seesm to me that this is series of trade offs. That ITR stiffener is nice, but OMG its heavy compared to the other alum. B series stiffeners. Once again, a trade off. Not knocking anyone, just IMO.
I kinda agree with Leo that in time something will give. I would think it would be the brackets that hold the shield on there. It is a very cleaver device and looks nice. Another thing it would do other than protect the downpipe is help the car aerodynamically…
lol…
I’d really like to see some pics of long term use installed. See how the brackets hold up and the life of the shield itself. But once again… A very ingenious device… someone’s gonna be pulling in the $$$…
That heatshield won’t go through the stock cross memeber. Unless you take a huge chunk out of the cross member, even the stock piece won’t clear it.
Notice the rustspot near the sump? After a few months with the headers installed, it was pushed up against the oil pan. Once all the welds have settled, the exhaust system tends to shift a little.
The pan had to be wedged back to give approx. 5mm clearance.
It seesm to me that this is series of trade offs. That ITR stiffener is nice, but OMG its heavy compared to the other alum. B series stiffeners. Once again, a trade off. Not knocking anyone, just IMO.
I couldn’t disagree more with you on that one, but thats okay the world is not a perfect place. At just over 3lbs, my torque ridden monster is like a raped ape with out IT, and ‘lord’ is that Aluminum fly wheel noisey. I just found a book at Honda that has every different aspect of the type R vs the GSEER and Honda claims that part reduces ‘OVERALL’ engine vibrations by 22%…I know, “WHAT THE HELL!” If I remeber correctly the stiffner and hardware weigh just more than 3lbs, and thats a bargain in my book, (plus the oil pan cooling characteristics) but then again I have an RS, “the view is great from DOWN here!”
To each their own is what I say,
J.
Thanks again cat for the link!!!
Sorry guys you are now mentioning stiffeners when we’re talking about this skid plate? Which part is the stiffener?