Short shifters in stock class? Shift bushings? Strut tower bars?
I’m not an expert in stock class rules, but I think the answer is no on all of those. If the rulebook specifically says you can do it, it’s legal. If not… :gayfight:
Thanks…I’ll have to find some way to make this thing not feel like it’s not shifting though oatmeal.
The car is really old. Changing the shifter bushings and perhaps even the linkage with new stock parts would probably make a big difference. Same could be said about a lot of the other parts on the car. Before you go too far though, you should probably make sure that you plan on keeping the car in stock class forever. If you change your mind later, it would suck to have to buy the same parts twice. For example, if you change the suspension bushings now to stock and later decide you want to make the car an STS car(which I personally think it is better suited for), you’d probably want to change the bushings to poly.
-nino
I’m planning on keeping this one in H-stock because next spring I plan on getting a CSP car (It’s Mazdaspeed Miata time!).
Defiantly not legal in stock class, although your local H stock competition may allow you to use them if your open and up front about them.
^^^ What he said. It just depends on the others in the class and if they really care. Around here, noone would consider that much of an upgrade.
I believe theres only 5 things you can do to a car and still keep it in a stock class. Shocks/struts, catback, front sway, intake, and tires. Other mods besides those will take you to a prepared/modified class.
Why not do the ITR shifter/linkage upgrade? It still looks completely OEM and uses all OEM parts. I mean, unless you tell them it has an ITR shifter, how would they know? It’s not cheating. You’re just improving shifter feel.
I’ll think about the other issues. I have a nack for interpretting racing rules so that they suit me. Some of my ideas are radical and require major work for them to appear stock.
A good rule of thumb is “If you’re winning, you’re cheating”. But don’t tell anyone I told you that. I am friends with a number of SCCA and NASA scrutineers.
I’m pretty sure intakes are not allowed on stock class, anymore. It says specifically in the 06 rules that no modifications are allowed to the stock intake box or tubing unless the tubing is of the same diameter and interior texture/shape. The only intake mod allowed is a drop-in air filter. I’m sure there are a hundred different things that I could get away with in running stock class, but that wouldn’t make me a better driver. Driving what I’ve got (or what is allowed by certain regulations) will make me better because I’ll have to learn to finesse the car a bit differently than I’m used to with my teg (which is an STS pig).
Hello! Rivercityspeed,
You wrote:
“Why not do the ITR shifter/linkage upgrade? It still looks completely OEM and uses all OEM parts. I mean, unless you tell them it has an ITR shifter, how would they know? It’s not cheating. You’re just improving shifter feel.”
Your interpolation and what you are suggesting is cheating plain and simple in a stock class!
If the 2G Integra did not come from the factory with an ITR shifter you can not use it, even to improve the feel.
You wrote:
“I’ll think about the other issues. I have a nack for interpretting racing rules so that they suit me. Some of my ideas are radical and require major work for them to appear stock.”
Visually appearing “STOCK” does not make it stock!
You may know lots of people but you don’t know the rules as written in the rule book. http://www.scca.org/Solo/Index.asp?IdS=006F2C-CD8DE20&x=050|070&~=
And I seriously doubt your SCCA and NASA scrutinizer friends would compromise their integrity because you know them.
the 90-93 integras are in G-stock
someone said H-stock. Look it up in the stock category listing
Hey lighten up buddy! I wasn’t saying they’d approve of what I’m capable of! Have you ever won a Solo Championship with a stock car, in a stock class? Guess what, no one else has either! I knew someone would throw the rules up here. I have those rules setting right next to me on my side table.
Dude, you completely missed my point. If you want to win, you’d better get over it. Do you run synthetic oil? Do the rules state you can’t? If I rebuild my motor and the head and block need to be decked, is that cheating? If I have the head rebuilt with a competition valve job, is that cheating? You going to dispute it?
Man, you must get you ass handed to you everytime you go to an event.
the 90-93 integras are in G-stock
someone said H-stock. Look it up in the stock category listing
Yes, the teg is a G-stock car. My project H-stock isn’t a teg, it’s an EF hatch.
Guess what, no one else has either!
(to steal a line from Superman Returns) WRONG! Brian Goodner of the Des Moines Valley Region won at least one national event in an F-stock Camaro that was set within the rules/regulation limitations. The guy who beat him at the last local event, Roger Christopherson, is also running an F-stock Camaro within the rules of the F-stock class. I’d wager either of these guys could and would hand nearly everyone on this site (obviously including myself) his/her ass in a cone course…even in the PAX. When competing in Solo II, it’s 10% car and 90% driver. If you need to do all of these things to win, go right ahead. This only proves that there will always be a guy around the next corner (or cone, as the case may be) who can drive your car better than you.
…oh, and by the by: Synthetic oil and head milling (to certain limits) are both legal in stock class. Port/polish work isn’t, but it wouldn’t buy you enough time to make a difference, anyway. If you’re going to spend your time and money on a Solo II car, at least spend it on something that will give you a good return.
Hello Rivercityspeed,
Two answer your first two questions; yes I have.
Second you seem to lack the simple intelligence to grasp the most basic premise behind competing at the stock level; EQUAL VECHICALS with the driver making or breaking the difference.
Yea, I am going to go get my ass handed to me and have been, since I have competed in Solo II long before you were even a seed in your mother belly. You can find some of my national level results here, see EP http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/File/2002BremertonTour.pdf
Now go back to talking trash, eating your boiled peanuts and banging your sister, you mutant hillbilly.
Why do I even try to educate you people? Your ignorance amazes me.
Why did you go start name calling on this thread. I never called you names or anything of the sort. I simply described what must happen to you everytime you attend an event. If you think the cars that are always winning are perfectly stock, that’s silly, plain and simple. I never once did anything I’d consider trash talking, unlike yourself. You need to grow up and get a life. If you are old enough to have been doing this since before I was born, then you must be old enough to not act like a complete idiot on a public forum. I hope you don’t have kids and you kiss them with that mouth of yours. I’m sure you mother is mighty proud of you. If you infact can honestly say you have never tried to squeeze more out of your cars suspension or pushed what the scrutineers would call legal, then you are either a VERY good driver, or you’re not trying hard enough to win. If you are the first, that’s great. If you are the second, then that’s fine too, I don’t really care. I don’t race in any sanctioned events anymore. It bores me. I just build cars now. As a matter of fact, I’ve been building cars for most forms of motorsports for the last 15 years. That’s right, I’m 30, I own two houses, have a huge SUV, a wife, two kids, a Skyline GT-R powered Datsun 240Z with one hundred percent adjustable suspension and Penske struts and 700 RWHP. This little '92 teg was purchased for $500. The only reason I bought it was to fab suspension for it and to have clean little driver that’s good on the eyes and gas. I like the car plenty, but if all of the owners of them are just as vulgar you, I’ll junk it right now. You may have single handedly ruined the opportunity for all gen2 owners access to ALOT of new affordable products for these cars which has almost no aftermarket anymore. You can keep your “stock” AutoX. Best of luck to you, and to all Gen2 owners. With you on their side giving advise, they’re going to need it.
BTW, this thread should be locked to prevent any further BS from ruining what could have been a good thread.
Wow…just…WOW!!! (to steal a line from Thejunkman). It’s like talking to a wall…oh well. I think he’s right in one respect: its time to drop this silly-ass argument and get back to the questions at hand. Obviously Rivercityspeed has been doing his thing long enough that he knows all and has seen all and experienced all, so why do we bother to argue with him?
…and if you believe that one, I’ve got some ocean-front in Iowa that I’d like to sell you.