:think: im a bit confused, but ill figure it out…
but looks handy for the future thanks 
lol. turst me i know how lma’s work. i guess u were on ht and saw the new lma thread a while back. i know 1st gen lma’s are prone to failure, but only on high mileage pre-obd b16’s. i’ve considered changing them, but, i have spoken extensively with my machinist. what people constantly do is compare an 89’ lma with 10 year newer 98’ itr lma. believe what u want. if u need a piece of mind, change them. but, don’t come on here like ur right and i’m wrong. i honestly don’t care if people keep listening to the advice of the odd random person on certain webpages. i guess it maintains the ebb and flow of things…but honesty, ur beating a dead horse. if u search long enough, u’ll see that 99% of people that experience lma failure have not head there 10 year old head properly inspected. and even then, the number of people that have experienced failure is very small, and usually soley focussed around 1st gen pre-obd pr3 castings. i’ve yet to have any issues using cams larger than 12mm lift. Honda has changed the lma design a few times. does that mean the 94+ lma is bad? not at all. is the new lma better? i’m sure, but this could go on forever. next i’m gonna here that we should completely strip apart our heads and replace cam caps/bolts and oil spray bars to avoid alignment/distortion due to constantly changing out cams. the new lma is good, but, we don’t all need to run out and change them. lol
ITR LMAs fail, no denying it and lots of experience (my own and others) to back that statement. I have a set and they are bad. They were bought brand new and the head was completely inspected and assembled by Tom at Portflow when he performed my port work (one of the most respected head builders in the import community).
The pre OBD1 PR3 head casting is identical to the casting you get when you order a brand new P73 Head (other than a slight port job on the intake side). Honda didn’t change the mold (that’s why it’s still stamped “PR3”). If you know how LMAs work, why did you think they are not under load when in VTEC? Your words… not mine. Bottom line is that you say a lot, but a lot of what you say is wrong :bang:. This is a post to help people that are having the same problem I am. Congrats if your LMAs are holding up. These are less expensive and have no “internal” moving parts, so they are not going to have the failure mode that the piston type LMAs have. And on that note I’m done here.
Great info. Thanks for all your insight. How are things in Oregon? I will be moving to Bend in August. Do you own or work for a shop? Would you be willing to do some side work?
Thanks. I have a business license and work from my own garage, but don’t own a shop. I’ve thought about it, I just can’t seem to leave my Engineering job. Good pay, great benefits, and the best work schedule you could ever have. So yes, I can work on your car. Bend is 3 hours from me (I live near Portland) but it’s a beautiful area. If you like the outdoors, rock climbing, skiing (water and snow), mountain biking, hiking, camping… Bend is definitely the city for you. When you get up to the area shoot me an e-mail.
Ya. I lived in Clackamas for three years before moving to Colorado. I just don’t remember that many g2 integras back then.
G2guru, does that valve compression tool set come with the device to insert into the spark plug hole and using compressed air, keep the valves from dropping into the cylinder? It looks like a good kit and a good price but I didn’t see that device. It can be bought separately very cheaply if not there and you want to change springs without removing the head.
Great information. I need to check the price in Canada and get back to this thread.
I just checked with the Honda dealer. List price in Canada $76.11!!! And our dollar is supposed to be equal.
OldGuy: The compression tool set did come with the compressed air spark plug well tube fitting. You will need to supply the compressed air as well as whatever fitting your air hose has on it and thread it into the tube. If you need a set of the LMAs, I can pick you up a set and ship them to you if you paypal the money. It’s roughly $200 US plus shipping.
At this point, I am ok. I just finished my LSVTEC and did make sure all the LMAs were working properly. It is something for me to keep in mind and for anyone I speak to here in Canada. Thanks for the offer and I may take you up on it at some point in the future. $76.11 each in Canada is ridiculous.
It’s not often that new information of good value is posted on the internet. Most of the time it leaks by word of mouth or by someone else who feels generous enough to share. Thanks
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New LMAS
I put the new style spring lmas in my gsr (b16 head) with type r cams and it works great!!! thanks alot!!!
Thanks for this info Dan… I like em!:rockon:
Dan, just saw this post: http://www.g2ic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191028 I know virtually nothing about LMA’s, so I was wondering what your take on these were.
for dampers check out http://www.professional-products.com/dampersProductHonda.php. i just bought myself the 90050 PowerForce+Plus and my machinest/tuner/fabricator told me he uses these on many of the engines he builds and they work awesome. the ctr pulley is complete garbage and the stock one doesnt have much dampening in it.
also i just got my lma rebuilt. i was not even aware of this problem until he told me that the obd0 vtec heads were very prone to this problem. apparently it’s very obvious when someone is running a obd0 pr4 head with the original lma.
Redtegra, did you buy the damper through NAPA? What did you pay for it?
no i got it through my tuner. it was 340$ with taxes.
The web site says that any NAPA dealer can get it so I think I’ll check out the price there. Thanks.
How did we get on the topic of dampers? I’m sure those are nice dampers, but that’s super expensive. Too pricey for my build. I took a stock G3 GSR pulley (paid $5 for it) then cut off the provisions for the two belts I did not need… Wala.