sorry they were the z5000 rims
I have a set of 17 inch Racing Hart EVO T6s with Yokohama A520s on them that have 2000 miles on them. My car will be out of commission for a while so I was thinking about selling them. If anyone is interested email me. They are very nice rims… ramacat@earthlink.net
Re: yes it’s harumui inoue…here’s the pic…
Originally posted by 92GS-R
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Originally posted by DB2-R81
I will tell you another little story in most countries in Europe where the safety standards are higher it is illegal. Why? Well I will tell you part of the reasoning because automotive companies like Porsche did testing on every model they produced and found the cars suspension components could not handle the stress provided by 18" wheels. The only 80s and early 90s Porsche they are legal on is the Turbo. Now think about your car and it suspension, it was designed around 14" wheels and the forces 14” wheels can generate. I would never ride in any Integra with 18" wheels on it.
That explains why my suspension used to bottom out when I was on 17’s… not that noticeable when I was on 16’s but never now that I’m on 14’s again… I never really considered the role the rims played on the suspension. nice post!
You guys trip me out when you read all of this stuff that will not even really have any effect when we are just driving our cars to shows and to pics up our girlfriends every now and then. A Porsche compared to and Integra come on :rolleyes: your compairing cars that are way different. Different type of wheel and tire cobos like everything else. I have drove my 18s to NOPI and back with no problems. I have been driving on my 18s for a long time. There are a lot of things that we shouldn’t do to or with our cars but we still do.
So the craze for 19s is here and people will still be pushing the linits.
I love my 18s and to me they look perfect as far as size goes on the car. Yeah everyone has there own opinion and I am not trying to flame either, it’s all good do what you want to. 
Just my $.04
Like I said above big wheels look cool. I don’t think 17’s are neccesarily “unsafe” on an integra. I would say that 14’s are “safer”.
You say “it’s all good” until some guy rear ends you because his stock brakes couldnt haul down those heavy 18" chrome anchors he put on his nissan sentra…hehe
In some classes of autoX don’t people have $5000 suspension systems? I don’t really know much about autoX.
In my previous post I was seriously asking a question, not trying to make a point…
Hey WaynesNside,
It was not a comparison it was an example of a highly engineered auto. I could have said MB, Audi, BMW, Opel, Jaguar, Lotus, Rover, you choose, but the point would not have been understood and obviously you still don’t understand. 18" wheels do not belong on a vehicle designed to withstand the stresses of a 14" wheel and tire. And when the insurance companies in the States have there way, and they will, because too many people like you don’t understand, the government will legislate your 18" wheels into an ugly coffee table in your front room. Just like dumb taillights, extreme ride heights, loud exhaust, tinted windows……… When will you understand, after your wheels fall off?
Originally posted by DB2-R81
[B]Hey WaynesNside,
It was not a comparison it was an example of a highly engineered auto. I could have said MB, Audi, BMW, Opel, Jaguar, Lotus, Rover, you choose, but the point would not have been understood and obviously you still don’t understand. 18" wheels do not belong on a vehicle designed to withstand the stresses of a 14" wheel and tire. And when the insurance companies in the States have there way, and they will, because too many people like you don’t understand, the government will legislate your 18" wheels into an ugly coffee table in your front room. Just like dumb taillights, extreme ride heights, loud exhaust, tinted windows……… When will you understand, after your wheels fall off? [/B]
so what happened ? all the non-turbo porsches that drove with 18’s had their wheels fall off ? wow id like to see that study. Maybe u haven’t given it any thought, but driving the **** out of ur car with 14’s will generate a lot more damage then cruising around with 18’s on. And now why are u bringing up politics ? I dont see why ur so bitter…someone doesn’t have a date for years again ??? Seriously, we made out points, and u stated the same thing 10 times in a row. I think we heard the first time, and now we can let everyone else decide what to do.
Hey YellowIntegra,
Your self-absorbed mentality is sure showing. You seem to harbour the misconception you drive on empty roads, just to set you straight you share the road with others. And it is not your birth right to drive on these roads. So when your 18” wheel falls off or you rear end some one similar to the previous example, it becomes some one else’s problem. And problems are resolved with laws in an attempt eliminate or control them. Think about that instead of you belly button. Because people like you create a need to protect themselves and others, not because I think your wheels are ugly or their performance is poor. Do you think there are stoplights because the government wanted to celebrate with red and green Christmas lights every day or speed limits because they care about your ass? You do what you want, just be dam sure you do not do it around my friends, family or me.
Intesting.
This post went from a simple question to very ugly.
Well, I have been reading some of the posts. I use 17" wheels for every day driving, I put about 3-4k on my car a month min. and I drive it in the winter. Yes I suck. So sue me I cant afford two cars w/insurance. Mommy doesn’t pay for my car. Anywho. I dont have a problem with the wheels, the low profile tire gives a hard ride. Everyone knows that, I was thinking of running the 15" spoons if I can get a cheap enough pair. Oddly, I believe spoon to be the best aftermarket part maker, and their set is a 15" set. As someone mentioned (sorry guy with red integra cant remember name) “driving to show and to pic of gf’s” would be fine wiht 18/19" wheels…I dont know. I drive 4k a month on mine, I cant have my show car yet, I dont even own a house. and we dont have a garage.
Anyway,
If anyone has anything nice to say I’d like to hear there opinion on riding mass milage on these tires. Would I be that much better off with a smaller set? Say a set off a GS-R ? I see those for sale alot. and also, what is stock on a TYPE-R integra? Same wheels as GSR? As I said I need a little more practicality and this post has me thinking…all bad things aside…
Thanks to all the nice ppl =)
Well, here’s my opinion… mind you it’s an opinion like you asked for.
I went from stock 14’s to 16’s to 17’s and now back to 14’s…
Stock 14’s didn’t look that ‘cool’ to me so I got a good deal on a set of 16" Konig GTR’s… Lightweight(kinda) and did grip a bit better due to he wider 215’s nitto 450’s compared to my 195’s.
Didn’t look ‘cool’ enough and didn’t match my new white paint so I got a set of white ADR revolutions in white. looked good but sure weighted a ton.
Ended up denting the hell out of my inner front fenders with the 17’s and have a small bend in one of the rims… ride got worse, tires still gripped at 205 kuhmos… Also lost mpg with these…
Mind you that I started with 29MPG on the 14’s and then went down to 27on the 16’s and then down to 25mpg max on the 17’s…
Now I scored on the 14" mugens… light as hell and got a set of 195 falken aziens that stick like crazy… the nice thing is my mpg went back to 28 mpg… I added a lot more miles to the motor since I was on the original 14’s so the mpg is awesome. I do a lot of freeway driving and a litte city driving.
My thoughts on bigger tires having a larger circumference= more distance is only reasonable if you do a lot of freeway driving. Your ride will get harsh and bumpy. the smaller lightweight tires will serve well since less mass is needed to rotate the tires and there is less mass to stop when braking. that’s my .02$
Now thats what I was looking for.
Those mugens…got a pic of them?
I think 14/15…spoon wheels, mugens, or the gtr’s even (they aint that bad looking) will work. I hear ya on the “sweet look” and the other thing is the one rim is dented on mine. and I got yoko 205/40/17…they stick like crazy but if you say you have those 14’s that stick…well I’m up for some of that.
There is a line between having a nice car that you enjoy and like to “show off” and having a sweet car that you cant drive but you like to “show” Gotta make sure I dont cross that line 
Kinda like dreaming of 300+whp and then remembering you spin with 150whp hehe. spin on ice…gah…no traction till third…and thats not revving hard…
Anyway,
Thanks and hope you have a pic,
Chado
I posted pics before when there was a discussion on 15" rims… I got the mugen cf-48’s… very old and discontinued… I contacted kingmotorsports and they can’t even find the covers for me nor the centercaps… I’ll post the link when I get back home. not on my comp and my favorites aren’t on here.
DB2-R81
I don’t want to argue with you or say that your wrong but I think that you have let some thing scare you that you have no experience N. If someone says the sky is falling are you going to run N the house and never come out? How many Civics, Integras or Accord have you seen with plus 1,2,3,4, 5 rim fitments? A ton, we all have and your going to tell me that these cars are dangerous to drive? This is common place with these cars now. I have had a Civic with a +3, an Accord with a +3 and now my Teg with a +3 and now a +5 and they have all been lowered and driven hard at some point N time. The other cars that I sold(Accord & Civic) are still running around town with the same wheels on them that I put on them.
Why would all of these companies sell wheel packages that are desinged to kill people? Why would tire shops mount and balance them everyday of the week? You are over stressing something that you have heard before way out of proportion.
The only way your wheels will fall of is if you don’t tighten the lugs. I don’t even need to say anything else about that… Or if you have a problem that is going to break even with stock wheels.
If they were falling off on these tests, it seems to be something more than the wheels. Ummm, maybe the way the car was built. Manufacture error maybe? No one is perfect.
I am reading what your saying and I can not justify anything that makes what your saying to be true.
I have friends with Lowriders that can hop right past your house with frames that are not even reinforced and have been doing that for months. How much stress is that? So if I drive my car with stiffer performance springs N it my wheels will just fall off. Man your killin me.
Come to the city and I will show you a bunch of cars that will make what your saying seem like words in the wind.
And to the guy that said that 18s won’t stop. A bigger contact patch will most likey stop with shorter distance than a tire with a smaller one. Call Tire Rack and ask them.
Like I said before it’s cool, I am not hating on anyone and that will be something that I won’t do on a message board. I just can’t see what your saying. I am living what your just reading about.
Sorry for bastarding your post.
well, for the comment about driving like no one els was on the road. well guess what. thats how i drive. good guess. i always drive like i own the road and there is no one els. how els are you going to have fun driving the best car you ever owned???
and if you dont drive like you own the road then remind me to never drive in your state. too many people to watchout for. if you dont have confidence driving then your on the wrong web sight.
now back to the q?
thanks every one im going to go with the 17"
END OF QUESTION…
Hello WaynesNside,
I don’t know where you live don’t care as long as it is not close to me but in Canada it is illegal to drive a motor vehicle with +3 wheels and tires on public roads. Any tire wheel combination beyond +2 sizing does not conform to the Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. Just ask anyone that lives in the Vancouver area who has been stopped, forced to have his or her car safety inspected, impounded and towed. And not legally allowed back on the road until their vehicle is SAFETY inspected and conforms to the standard.
It is illegal in Queensland, Australia, Europe, TUV Standard, Japan JIS standard, most states and likely in your state, just not enforced till needed.
Why do you think Honda/Acura and every car manufacture or car imported into the US and Canada is forced to put that little certification label with the tire size on it attached to your door jam, clue it is a US Federal Safety Requirements.
Try explaining your improper size tires and wheels to your insurance company or a lawyer when you are sued.
I understand you are smarter then the people who thought up these safety laws and can read minds, since you seem to know so much about my experience.
Here is a little discussion for you taken off rennlist.com on 18” wheels on a pre 93 Porsches. You can view the rest of the discussion here Rennlist Discussion
Dear Loudmouth,
This forum is doing exactly its job when people tell you the truth. 18 inch wheels on all Porsches pre 1993 or 1995 is totally illegal in some countries, such as Switzerland unless a 911 Turbo from 1991-94. It is not illegal in the USA but the PCNA to protect themselves against liability claims by the families of crash victims run this list thing.
The facts about 18 inch wheels are this.
Porsche ran tests in the mid nineties on all models they had produced from 1985 to 1993. Every model tested except the 911 Turbos had major structural failures in the wheel suspension components. Porsche then issued a TSB to all their dealers and repair facilities across the world. In the USA, the PCNA added to this with the reporting of such installations.
Now you ask about other vehicles and 18 inch wheels. You claim not to heard of anything. I cannot dispute your claim of course but rest assured this is not just a Porsche problem. The Audi RS4 was never sold to the USA. Check out the 18 inch wheels problems on the RS4. Wheels collapse, suspension failures, safety recall. Production of the RS4 cancelled.
I personally make no apology to anyone for telling the truth. I have the data, I have the documents and this is what I share. As do others.
In the USA you have freedom to ignore the manufacturer, ignore the design specifications, ignore the design regulators and do what you want. Fine, no problem but you will certainly never get any encouragement from me or others on this forum to do so. Others will help you and so be it. The whole purpose of this forum is not to tell you what you want to hear but to give you a full range of opinions and facts and allow you to choose the right path for yourself. Hopefully a path in which you at least think about the safety aspects of your proposals. I am not worried about yourself. I worry about the unsuspecting who ride with you and other road users.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4
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Dear Loudmouth,
In the end it is up to each individual to what they want, legal or illegal. I feel sorry for those who are put at risk by those who exceed the design limits of their particular auto regardless of make. Polluters also. We all have to share this planet. I do fully agree with the headlight issue. You may be interested to know that eventually any Porsche owner who runs around with 130W headlights is going to burn his wiring and connectors out. We just helped a RSA owner who was running 100/80 bulbs. Melted quite a bit over time.
Unfortunately many people use the road as a race track. These accidents I know are not investigated in the USA. Here they are and this is why the authorities have come down upon us like a ton of bricks, especially in the brakes, suspension and wheels and tyres issues. We can do all of this but with engineering approvals.
By the way Porsche tested all road cars on their test ground at Weissach. They were subjected to standard Porsche structural checks supervised by the TÜV.
The 968 Turbo RS which stands for Race Specification, is a somewhat special auto. The special 964 Turbos had 18 inch wheels as well. 18 inch wheels are not approved for the NAs apart from the 3.8RS which is built on a Turbo body and chassis. I still do not know what you actually mean by bullying people. I for one always clearly state it is your choice but I do not recommend it. Take it or leave it. If this is bullying then I remain a bully forever.
The comments since on checking suspension is really good and productive.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4
944 (still in the stable but driven by my daughter and totally 100% stock except for approved 16 inch wheels installed)
PS: It was during the testing of the 964 Carrera C2 in 1990 that a structural defect was found in the front wheel suspension using just 16 inch wheels. I am glad Porsche put them to the limits. This is also another reason care is needed. I recommend that all Porsche owners subscribe or obtain the TSBs for their own model Porsche via www.alldata.com
And there is plenty of disscussion of 18" wheel problems on Audi RS4s here RS4 Discussion Forums
Just pulled out of the wind of course because we all know your Acura was designed and built far superior to these cars to handle 18" wheels.
Just one more comment you wrote,
“And to the guy that said that 18s won’t stop. A bigger contact patch will most likey stop with shorter distance than a tire with a smaller one. Call Tire Rack and ask them.”
You are wrong on two counts a vehicle with 18" inch wheel will take longer to stop and the contact patch is not bigger, same surface area just a different shape. Guess you are not so smart after all, better go back to school and take that physics class
DB2-R81: I couldn’t have said it any better myself. I don’t see an argument that would stand up against those facts. I rarely ever participate in such futile arguments but when I see the kind of thought you put it into this argument I have to voice my oppinion…Right on!
Waynesride and other large wheel users: Your more than welcome to use 17’s, 18’s and above, but realize you ARE sacrificing the vehicles original characteristics; performance and structural alike.
J.
Just a quick note.
I live in Canada (NOT B.C. I should add) In Ontario…now, I just got my car safetied with 17’s on it, is that +3 ? Or am I mistaken and 18’s would be +3.
If I am wrong just tell me…I hate being flamed.
But if I am not, maybe its different in different provinces? Lots of people around here with 17’s that drive around…and 16’s on civics. (which I also am assuming is +3)
once again, if I am wrong and its +2…just tell me and I wont make this mistake again 
DB2-R81
If I ever get a Porsche or an Audi I will be sure to never put 18s in rims on it because you have brought up accurate facts about rim and tire info.
Like I said before you are talking about cars that none of us have or will ever drive. People for the longest times have been pushing the limits and modding cars for the longest. Well if you can’t roll rims like this N Canada then you don’t have anything to worry about.
People on the site know that large rims on these cars now a days is the norm. I agree it might sacrifice perfermance. So will putting a stero system in your car that weighs more than what the suggested load rate also. Are you stressing about that? Or about intake systems that don’t pass emmissions, or exhaust that are to lound? Or tinting windows to dark so that you can’t see out of them causing danger to people walking at night.
My overall diameter is just a lil higher than my stock 14s I can take a pics and post it if need be. So what I have is just a larger contach patch touching the ground.
All any one here has to do is pick up Super Street or Import Tuner and they will see what’s going on with rims and tires. If they just only live N this site they will be limited on what they will and can do.
I have never and will not continue to follow with everyone and copy them. I do my own thing when I do my cars. I have seen 18s on my car way before I did it. That’s how I know that I could. I have seen 19s on our cars and it looked tight. So now I guess you want me to report that guy right?
Look at LJ with 19s on his Yellow Civic, look at RJ DeVera with 18s on his S2000 these cars are being promoted all over the world. Do you think that compaines would let thier cars out in the public knowing that they are a danger to socitey.
Canada can not even be conmpared to the USA because you guys do things so differently anyway. USA can not be compared to overseas because you know that we can’t do what they can because of our standards.
I just don’t want all these people on this site to think that these wheels are dangerous, because I don’t think so. I have been seeing this for years and I know people from Cali on this site have been doing/seeing it longer than me, but they are not speaking up.
It’s cool like I said before ytou are probably a nice guy and I see that you know a lot about cars. So I don’t want to be considerd a hater to you because that is not so. Times are changing man. Maybe the standards should too?
Chado
Seems to know what’s up