I’m sorry, but I have to agree with DB2-R81 all the way.
Thinking that these problems only apply to Porsches and Audis and cannot be a possiblity with Civics and Integras is just hiliarious. YOU CAN compare problems with a porsche to a wimpy integra! If you’ve ever looked at the beefiness of any suspension component, hub, tierod, axle, arm swaybar etc in a Porsche, Audi, MB, you’d realize that if there is a concern with oversized wheels on THOSE cars, you better run and hide with our cars. As much as I respect and like the design of hondas, suspension geometry etc, I’m sorry. It’s not built half as strong as those european cars.
Picking up super street and import tuner is just about as reliable as dirt. Every word they write is based on what somebody pays them to write. As for all the shops installing +3’s and +4’s, the common guy does NOT know much at all, and want to get paid. Sure he may have great product knowledge which makes him sound smart & technical but let’s see how much they can apply that too.
As for pushing modded cars to the limits, sure we’ve been putting 17’s and 18’s on them and doing many other stupid things like shaving bumpers on pickups, raising them, lowering them, etc, but hey, it’s simple physics that determines your car will crumple and absorb more energy in the wrong area without bumpers, and your suspension will receieve more forces due to the extra dead weight the larger rims have, along with more moment that will be exerted from a larger diameter rim. And the only deciding factor in contact patch is width, not overall diameter. Meaning a 255/20-14 will grip a hell of a lot better than a 215/35-18. The 14/18 component cannot be seen by the road, it can only be seen by your suspension.
Hey it’s cool, our cars being different makes this sport fun. There are some creditable people out there and some aren’t. I am not going to knock people for doing what they want to do, it’s their car and thier money. Life goes on…
“My overall diameter is just a lil higher than my stock 14s I can take a pics and post it if need be. So what I have is just a larger contach patch touching the ground.”
Just to correct you one more time a larger tire does not give you a larger contact patch. It only changes the shape of the contact patch. If your tire is wider it gives you a wider, but narrower contact patch but the surface area stays the same.
You also wrote:
“Look at LJ with 19s on his Yellow Civic, look at RJ DeVera with 18s on his S2000 these cars are being promoted all over the world. Do you think that compaines would let thier cars out in the public knowing that they are a danger to socitey.”
Just an analogy, but are you aware cigarette smoking use to be advertised as, invigorating, refreshing and good for your health. For your own safety, I would not trust companies to take “danger to society” as one of their primary concerns.
This thread has made for some interesting and some times hot discussion, good finger exercise to, but like you said and I don’t disagree with you, it’s your car and you can do your thing with it. Take care and happy New Year.
This is way too much text to read, but I’ll just say that I went +3 for my summer/spring/fall wheels 'n tires, and I love it. I lost a little on MPG, probably because I thought I’d act as fast as I look. Yes, my sedan is slower than with my winter 14s, big deal. I go boost or swap to LS/VTEC or VTEC GSR and the problem’s solved.
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Sometimes on this board (and other performance boards) people talk like they’re Fast and Furious–“living life a 1/4 mile at a time” when the truth is that nobody’s racing all the time and keeping track of the seconds they lost when they switched to bigger wheels or this exhaust over another. Most of my driving is real world: going to work, cruising, and running errands. Does anybody on here really race their daily-driven car so much that putting 16s or 17s is a horrible performance downgrade? :rolleyes: [/Rant]
Originally posted by ThaJazz
[B]This is way too much text to read, but I’ll just say that I went +3 for my summer/spring/fall wheels 'n tires, and I love it. I lost a little on MPG, probably because I thought I’d act as fast as I look. Yes, my sedan is slower than with my winter 14s, big deal. I go boost or swap to LS/VTEC or VTEC GSR and the problem’s solved.
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Sometimes on this board (and other performance boards) people talk like they’re Fast and Furious–“living life a 1/4 mile at a time” when the truth is that nobody’s racing all the time and keeping track of the seconds they lost when they switched to bigger wheels or this exhaust over another. Most of my driving is real world: going to work, cruising, and running errands. Does anybody on here really race their daily-driven car so much that putting 16s or 17s is a horrible performance downgrade? :rolleyes: [/Rant] [/B]
I agree with that. I think that people are taking this performance thing way to far. Then they act like they can’t do anything because it will hinder performance. Come on people who needs all that performance when your going to pick up your girlfriend or just hanging with your boys. I will worry about performance when I have a car that is 100% race. That’s when everything you do counts.
Then again I am one of the rare % that rolls for show on this board anyway.
Originally posted by DB2-R81
[B]Hey YellowIntegra,
Your self-absorbed mentality is sure showing. You seem to harbour the misconception you drive on empty roads, just to set you straight you share the road with others. And it is not your birth right to drive on these roads. So when your 18” wheel falls off or you rear end some one similar to the previous example, it becomes some one else’s problem. And problems are resolved with laws in an attempt eliminate or control them. Think about that instead of you belly button. Because people like you create a need to protect themselves and others, not because I think your wheels are ugly or their performance is poor. Do you think there are stoplights because the government wanted to celebrate with red and green Christmas lights every day or speed limits because they care about your ass? You do what you want, just be dam sure you do not do it around my friends, family or me. [/B]
You are a pretty cocky punk…I never tried to turn this post into a flame but u seem to be, and about me driving around…next time u see me on the road why dont u tell me I cant be doing so, along with the thousands of other people driving cars with large wheels on them. Sorry Hero but there’s not much u can do in this situation, BTW I drive how I drive, and im not telling u how to drive, this has nothing to do with anything, and u have taken this post wayyy off topic. Thanks for the helpful info and points, and thats about it. Now ill say it again, we have both stated our points, and like the guy said who started this thread, he has decided what to do.
Originally posted by ThaJazz
[B]This is way too much text to read, but I’ll just say that I went +3 for my summer/spring/fall wheels 'n tires, and I love it. I lost a little on MPG, probably because I thought I’d act as fast as I look. Yes, my sedan is slower than with my winter 14s, big deal. I go boost or swap to LS/VTEC or VTEC GSR and the problem’s solved.
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Sometimes on this board (and other performance boards) people talk like they’re Fast and Furious–“living life a 1/4 mile at a time” when the truth is that nobody’s racing all the time and keeping track of the seconds they lost when they switched to bigger wheels or this exhaust over another. Most of my driving is real world: going to work, cruising, and running errands. Does anybody on here really race their daily-driven car so much that putting 16s or 17s is a horrible performance downgrade? :rolleyes: [/Rant] [/B]
From reading, Marc’s main point is not that it is a performance downgrade, but that it is unsafe for you and OTHER people on the road. And if you are just crusin and running errands, well why not get a reasonable wheel size.
Marc, thanks for posting up all this fact, I think its great that someone on this board can back up with they claim with fact that leaves no doubt in the readers mind.
Ehh, big rims look kinda goofy anyways :rolleyes:
I’m probably trading my 16’s in for 15’s pretty soon
All any one here has to do is pick up Super Street or Import Tuner and they will see what’s going on with rims and tires. If they just only live N this site they will be limited on what they will and can do.
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Yeah, Those are reliable sources. :rolleyes:
Its funny when you see these Show cars swap their 19’s out for 16’s or 17’s for the trip home. Its also funny when you refer to whats going on in cali as far as wheels go, Ive seen maybe 1 or 2 cars around here with 18’s or 19’s…Why? Because its just not practical around here. Theres alot of sh!tty roads and freeways around here, if you were to hit some of these streets with 19’s you’d be in a world of hurt, and you’d be in danger of loosing a wheel or two.
Yeah… so I’m gonna hafta go ahead and agree with Wayne mostly. I’d bet less than 1% of import enthusiasts autocross their cars. Just cruisin around really. We like the concept-car look of oversize wheels. The argument for Porsche is slightly different because a lot more Porsche owners race their cars and frequently exceed 90 mph, unlike us. But still, interesting.
So overall, I’d say 16 or maybe 17 for good compromise on looks and performance. I don’t think safety is really an issue since I’ve never heard of a serious accident due to suspension failure caused by oversized wheels. Then again, maybe I don’t read the paper enough.
Marc, why do you post a link to an RS4 discussion where they only discuss how the bending rim problem is extremely rare? And 2nd, the RS4 issue has nothing to do with suspension failure, its WHEEL failure.
I really don’t understand what there is not to understand with Marc’s point. First off… he discusses Porche as a resource. If you don’t agree with porche and their already upgraded suspensions as well as upgraded brakes… what makes you think that the integra will do much better with the larger wheel masses. It’s not necessary about the amount of contact patch there is to the street… that really plays nothing compared to mass… (ie. will you stand up to a steel roller rolling down a hill that they use to flatten out new pavement or in front of a same size cylinder that is hollow and made of foam… keeping in mind that they both have the same amount of contact to the pavement)
Another point that Marc points out is that the Department of motor vehicles don’t deem it safe to have such wheel sizes. I don’t think they just make up laws for silly reasons.
The last point is through the manufacturers… Very true that they won’t even put plus sizes on their top of the line cars… note how the GSR and type R’s have the same wheel diameters… the difference only being in the wheel weights and larger braking components as well as better suspensions.
The only arguemnt that you can make with Marc’s point is if you take your car to shows only and dedicate your car to shows as WaynesNside states he does… no problem in that at all…
The only post that bothers me here is when people say they drive like there is no tomorrow and as they state that they own the roads… I hate idiots who do that and endanger the lives of my friends and family as well as my own. What is the reason for this… I’d like to throw your family in a little metro and put them on a freeway full of drunk drivers who drive like they own the road… How would that make you feel? I just hope people would grow up sometimes and at least act that they deserve a car let alone a license… (I’m sure if the dmv had ‘How should you drive on the streets?’ the answer should be ‘A. Like I own it!’)
This isn’t directed at anybody just a little useful info for people saying how car manufacturers dont put big wheels on high performance cars:
The ultimate in horsepower, handling and excitement, Corvette Z06 is designed and built to excel on the road and on the track. Its very heart pounds with a 405 hp 5.7 L V8 high output engine that’s harnessed with a specially designed six-speed manual close ratio transmission and complemented with a head-up driver information display. The supreme performance of the Z06 is completed by 18" rear and 17" front aluminum wheels with red brake calipers and ultra wide tires
Thats right off of GM’s website. If you dont like Domestic cars, dont bash them. I dont really care. Alot of my family works for GM and I prefer honda’s. However, the Corvette is still a nice car, I wouldn’t buy one, but I wouldn’t mind owning one.
18" on rear and 17" on front…and we are discussing 17’s and 18’s are we not? I dont think that GMCANADA (thats the site I got that from) can sell cars with illegal tire sizes?
Ok, nobody said 18’s are illegal on corvettes. It was stated that porsche decided not to use them, and it is illegal to run 18’s on integras. And as for trusting GM, whether or not I like domestics or not, I’m trusting porsche or any european car manufacturer before I trust ANY domestic.
