I’m not a Subaru fan, but if the STI version comes out, it would be a bit appealing. I wouldn’t buy it, though. My next car will be AWD turbo. Sporty, yet convenient.
Looking into getting an EVO. Not sure why I’ve been turned on to the EVO lately, but it’s getting annoying with how bad I want one.
I don’t trust the EVO’s reliability, personally. And the interior feels cheap. I’d go with the WRX.
and if you’re willing to lose a little performance, but gain a lot of luxury, I’d go with an Audi A4.
my opinions anyways.
saw one in the wild today.
that thing is a good 5 inches lower than my TL lol. the thing is low. Only turnoff is the relatively narrow wheels (as magazines have stated). Car looks like a beast otherwise. They look like 195s.
Hey now hey, I scored a 370z for the price of a FR-s or BRZ. $25k With only 19k on the clock. And it will drive circles around both of them.
BRZ is prettier. It’d be my choice…add a turbo of course.
since i plan on living in NJ for awhile, neither. 1000 cars per sq mile so there is little chance of getting this thing above 25mph 5 days a week (“rush hour” lasts from around 2pm until 7:30-8pm here) , rwd would make it pretty much useless at the sign of a single snowflake (october through april) and the fact that it was more that 150hp would most likely tack another $1500/year on to my car insurance. That being said aren’t they essentially the same car? I’d just buy from whichever dealer gave me the best deal.
I disagree with that. I’m not sure why people think you can’t drive RWD in snow. I’ve done it and seen many, many others do it in places that get more snow in a day than most places get in a year.
The key is tires, not which wheels drive the car.
I have plenty of local pards who drive their Z’s all winter long. They just switch to blizzaks for the snow/cold times, then back to the performance tires when the roads clear and the temps climb.
Granted, knowing how to drive in snow is a huge plus, which strangely enough nobody on the east coast seems to be able to do…it’s as if the return of snow is the first time in the history of ever that they’ve experienced it. Must be due to the fact that there’s an exponentially higher instance of jackasses on each coast. :shrug:
I’ll amend my previous statement. In the area in which I reside (NYC metro area) a rwd car is not practical , especially for someone who works in a field that does not have “snow days”. Many municipalities are ill equipped to handle a 5 inch snowfall let alone the 30" that fell during one storm 3 years ago. Driving my rwd 740 during that winter was a major chore. If I lived in an area with higher annual snowfall , a lower population density, less cars per sq mile, more adequate inclement weather procedures and did not work in the field I do now, I might consider a rwd daily driver. Hell the area I just mentioned would most likely net me an insurance premium in the range of 1/3-1/4 of what I’m paying now.
road conditions and lack of any pre-snow road pep also play a huge factor. Not to mention jackasses that aren’t essential services trying to get into the office to push pencils.
In my area its brooklynites that move to burbs. Many never had a license and the first thing they do when they move to NJ is run to dmv and then to the mercades or bmw dealer (I mean shit they are saving SO MUCH money by not paying $4000/month for their 5th floor walk up in park slope brooklyn by paying a $3900/month mortgage and $2700/month in property taxes for a house in Millburn NJ) . At the tender young age of 35 or so they are getting behind the wheel for the first time (NYC has great mass transit and it can be stupid expensive to own a car there when factoring in parking gas and insurance) and its usually the day or 2 before the first snow of the season. Its actually kind of funny to see hipsters white knuckling it at 7 mph, in a BMW suv , with 1/4 inch of powder sticking just to the grass and sidewalks.
I still mostly disagree. We don’t get snow days either, no matter how much snow falls and due to my job and a lot of others around here, we’re out before the plows, which usually means at least 1 - 2 feet of snow on the road. (usually up to my headlights in the Jetta) And while we have pretty good snow removal in that the roads aren’t completely blocked off, the tarmac is no longer visible by the time the end of December rolls around and it’s more like an ice road they carve grooves into to try to give you some traction. Sault Ste. Marie was the same way and I’m guessing a lot of other places that have high annual snowfall are as well. Like Mark said, tires are 75% of your drivability in snow/ice, the other 25% is taking your time and compensating for the slicker surface. That is where you’d probably run into problems in the higher populated areas, because everyone is in a rush no matter what, but that will still effect you no matter what wheels are driving the car.
Obviously RWD isn’t the preferred choice in snow, but I would let it affect my car buying decision in a place that gets as little snow as most of the NE. Hell, I’d get one here and throw some studs on her in the winter. You could have some serious fun.
Never had any issues getting through anything in a fwd car. While NJ doesn’t get alaska sized snow fall, Ive had to drive in 15-20 inches of unplowed snow numerous times in the 14 years I’ve been driving. There are situations where a rwd drive car is at the mercy of the laws of physics regardless of what tires are on the car. During the time I had the rwd volvo (around 4000lbs of blah equipped with a peg legged rear diff and an automatic trans) I had to get to a hospital that sat ontop of a hill. All 3 approaches to the hospital were long steep grades each being steeper that the last. Each approach was governed by a stupid short traffic light about 1/2 up the approach. If I got caught behind cars stopped at the light it would kill my momentum, even if I gave the car ahead of me a solid 10-15 car lengths and kept it moving. It got to the point of being dangerous or me leaving hours before I was due at work, when no one was on the road and running red lights the whole way. Even with no one ahead of me, 2 of the grades had points that would make pushing a 4000lbs car , with 1 wheel under power, difficult depending on the depth and type of snow. My 2000lbs fwd tercel would take the same hills at around 20 and not even flinch. I’d like to not pay around $30k and risk having similar issues especially since I commute 1-10 times a month (randomly due to case load) to a facility 20 miles away directly across the hudson from NYC. I know I could have studs from october through april based on title 39, but they aren’t too popular here and the parking space I rent is already torn to shit (landlord is already up my ass about paying for repaving it). If anything while I’m still in this area I’d consider moving from a fwd to an awd, although my civic did very well during the freak october snow storm we had last year.
as we had all suspected, the Subaru variant is much better: [video=youtube_share;3lzXgGo9wNU]http://youtu.be/3lzXgGo9wNU[/video]
Its beautiful.
[QUOTE=armedferret;2262114]The key is tires, not which wheels drive the car.
I have plenty of local pards who drive their Z’s all winter long. They just switch to blizzaks for the snow/cold times, then back to the performance tires when the roads clear and the temps climb.
Granted, knowing how to drive in snow is a huge plus, which strangely enough nobody on the east coast seems to be able to do…it’s as if the return of snow is the first time in the history of ever that they’ve experienced it. Must be due to the fact that there’s an exponentially higher instance of jackasses on each coast. :shrug:[/QUOTE]
I actually had my Z out in the snow on June 9th (attempted day trip to Banff), and it wasn’t a lack of rear grip that concerned me. Instead it was the front tires (brand new Potenza RE760) struggling to plow through about half an inch of wet slush. More appropriate tires would have helped immensely I’m sure.
What would concern me about driving a RWD sports car in the winter would be potential ground clearance issues. That and it being bombarded by salt and gravel every day. :giggle:
I wopuld so take an FRS.
If i could of afford it with my hook up here at work " Toyota “” would be awsome. That would mean letting go of the DA 
I really like this car, would love to take one for a drive. Saw one at my work and it’s about the size of my 99 Civic coupe.
ouch. 10-year-old design punching it in the dick. that’s gotta hurt.
