any one able to throw a dual bend such as a skunk 2 in? I notice its only made for 94-00 integs and 92-00 civics. How does the pro edge feel?
Maybe that’s why 4th likes to pop out on me, my clutch fluid is low!
[QUOTE=BacardiBreezer;1855717]Yeah dude, we should all get that clutch master cylinder.
:tapfing:[/QUOTE]
hahah if thats saracasm then ouch…i was just saying among people that has a clutch master cylinder…i know everyone on here doesnt have a DA or have another car besides a DA…EG hatch???
I have a dual bend skunk2, it fits fine, only difference between the 90-93 and 94 up shifters is the 90-93 have a single bend, the 94 up have a double bend. I prefer the way the double bend sits in the car (I’m a big guy, and prefer the shifter always sitting a bit further up and forward, which the dual bend does). The ONLY issue I’ve had with it is that it makes it a smidge harder to get the plastic console out of the car (the one that goes around the shifter and the stereo), but you just have to wiggle it a bit and it comes out, not particularly difficult. I also have the skunk2 weighted shift knob, and love the combo, two very nicely made pieces that work well together.
As far as a short shifter wearing out synchros faster, anyone have a good reason or explanation as to why that would be, or any good evidence that happens? just curious, as it doesn’t make any sense to me
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As far as a short shifter wearing out synchros faster, anyone have a good reason or explanation as to why that would be, or any good evidence that happens? just curious, as it doesn’t make any sense to me[/QUOTE]
It’s not the shifter’s fault…it’s the idiot sitting behind it beating on their tranny tryin to shift mad quick y0
That explanation makes sense 
Or maybe the fact that the stock DA transmission had a certain throw in order to give the transmission enough time to properly synchronize when shifting. Even shifting normally with a short shifter, the increased leverage (all a short shifter does) makes for gears having to synchronize faster.
I can’t stand short shifters.
Just installed B&M straight shift lever, ES bushings for the change extension, OEM shifter parts, and an Integra Type R titanium shift knob.
shifts really good although the shifter sits far, looks like it is on 3rd gear when in neutral.
[QUOTE=SOL1D;1835789]If you want better shifting, get a Type R shift linkage with shifter.
You don’t lose leverage, but you gain a gated feel because the change exchange is on the shift linkage is thicker/beefier. Couple that with ES bushings, the shifter feels WAY better then any short shifter and you won’t end up damaging your transmission from using a short shifter.
Almost all race cars i’ve seen or helped with never used a short shifter, non of the drivers believed in any gains from it and it damaged the tranny. These guys shift fast with a stock shifter.[/QUOTE]
The ITR shift linkage with shifter is the set up I’ve had for years and I love it.
i urn for the DC linkage and shifter setup, one of these days i’ll do it
[QUOTE=kNOwLedGe420;1863993]Or maybe the fact that the stock DA transmission had a certain throw in order to give the transmission enough time to properly synchronize when shifting. Even shifting normally with a short shifter, the increased leverage (all a short shifter does) makes for gears having to synchronize faster.
I can’t stand short shifters.[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
You’d have to shift slower then normal because of the increased leverage. If you shifted how you normally did with a stock shifter it’d still be faster then normal and you’d be increasing the wear on the synchro’s. If people who race cars can shift totally fine with a stock shifter, then theirs no point for a stock car on the street to have one.
If all you want to do is improve the feel of the loose stock shifter, get upgrade the shift linkage to a thicker one and get better or brand new bushings. Done and Done.
I’m curious, does anyone have any solid proof that what you’re saying about it wearing the synchros out is true? It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me, and I recall reading that it’s in fact better to shift faster to cut down on synchro wear, because the longer you spend pushing the synchros together the more they wear. Forget where I read it tho. Basically was saying to think of the synchros like a dog setup where you have to shift hard and fast to cut down on wear (obviously with synchros you don’t have to rev match as closely). Just curious because it still doesn’t make a lot of sense to me that the shifter alone would increase synchro wear.
Yeah I’d like to see someone actually come in here with proof that their tranny got worse after installing a short throw. So far it’s just people saying it “could” happen.
http://www.dieselgeek.com/a_word_about_transmissions.php
Good read, I’ve seen it discussed that hondas uses brass and or copper type syncros
Only other type of syncro I’ve heard of honda using are on AP2 S2000 which are some type of Carbon Syncro. If race cars doing time trails on roadracing tracks or drag racers hitting 8’s and 9’s can shift fine with normal shifters then to me there would be no point in a stock street car not doing anything else but driving NORMAL to have it.
Like I said get a better shift linkage if you want improved feel, without harming or risking the chance of prematurely damaging your syncros or even future damaging syncros that are already on their way out.
That still isn’t quite what i’m looking for, that guy doesn’t seem to have any credentials as far as transmission design or operation, and it seems like he’s just giving his opinion or repeating something he’s heard that seems to make sense to him. While he says to think of the synchros like a brake pad setup, that’s really not what they are, they’re more closely related to a dog setup, as with pads it’s pressure and as a result friction between flat surfaces that reduces speed, with synchros it’s brass teeth slipping and then meshing to match shaft speeds. What I don’t understand is that the longer you hold the brass teeth together without fully meshing them, the more they theoretically wear. Which would mean the longer you take pushing into a gear, the more wear the synchro might receive (although realistically there will only be momentum driving one of the shafts, so it shouldn’t take long for the synchros to match speeds regardless of how long it takes you to shift).
I’m not trying to say that I think shifting with a short shifter is necessarily a ton better, but I just don’t see how it’s really worse. We’re also talking an incredibly short period of time to shift gears, and anyone could move a stock shifter about as quickly as a short shifter, and the time difference seems trivial at best. Just looking for some solid evidence to explain one theory or another. I’m just not at all convinced short shifters are really bad for the tranny. While people have said “I wore out my synchros right after installing my short shifter”, etc, I’m wondering if that’s really just more coincidence or driver error than the short shifter’s fault.
EDIT: I understand what you’re saying SOL1D about not needing a short shifter, and I agree, I don’t think it’s anything that’s any sort of real performance improvement, just more of a preference change, I’m just not convinced that they’re really detrimental to trannies.
[QUOTE=spikius;1870538]That still isn’t quite what i’m looking for, that guy doesn’t seem to have any credentials as far as transmission design or operation, and it seems like he’s just giving his opinion or repeating something he’s heard that seems to make sense to him. While he says to think of the synchros like a brake pad setup, that’s really not what they are, they’re more closely related to a dog setup, as with pads it’s pressure and as a result friction between flat surfaces that reduces speed, with synchros it’s brass teeth slipping and then meshing to match shaft speeds. What I don’t understand is that the longer you hold the brass teeth together without fully meshing them, the more they theoretically wear. Which would mean the longer you take pushing into a gear, the more wear the synchro might receive (although realistically there will only be momentum driving one of the shafts, so it shouldn’t take long for the synchros to match speeds regardless of how long it takes you to shift).
I’m not trying to say that I think shifting with a short shifter is necessarily a ton better, but I just don’t see how it’s really worse. We’re also talking an incredibly short period of time to shift gears, and anyone could move a stock shifter about as quickly as a short shifter, and the time difference seems trivial at best. Just looking for some solid evidence to explain one theory or another. I’m just not at all convinced short shifters are really bad for the tranny. While people have said “I wore out my synchros right after installing my short shifter”, etc, I’m wondering if that’s really just more coincidence or driver error than the short shifter’s fault.
EDIT: I understand what you’re saying SOL1D about not needing a short shifter, and I agree, I don’t think it’s anything that’s any sort of real performance improvement, just more of a preference change, I’m just not convinced that they’re really detrimental to trannies.[/QUOTE]
I still think that if Races cars aren’t using it there must be a Reason, either it didn’t provide any good to the race car or it did cause wear and it wasn’t worth it. There are so many things you can do to get a better feel shifter without doing something that MIGHT cause damage. Plus I’ve driven cars with short shifters, I really dont like how it feels, feels like your grinding going into every gear.
Plus it all comes down to driver skill. People need to learn how to drive there car before upgrading something because they THINK it sucks.
Well I think most of us just like how it feels for daily driving, at least I do. I don’t try to be mad quick y0 on that shit, just like the feel + ES bushings…
[QUOTE=SOL1D;1835789]If you want better shifting, get a Type R shift linkage with shifter.
You don’t lose leverage, but you gain a gated feel because the change exchange is on the shift linkage is thicker/beefier. Couple that with ES bushings, the shifter feels WAY better then any short shifter and you won’t end up damaging your transmission from using a short shifter.
Almost all race cars i’ve seen or helped with never used a short shifter, non of the drivers believed in any gains from it and it damaged the tranny. These guys shift fast with a stock shifter.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SOL1D;1869797]Thank you.
You’d have to shift slower then normal because of the increased leverage. If you shifted how you normally did with a stock shifter it’d still be faster then normal and you’d be increasing the wear on the synchro’s. If people who race cars can shift totally fine with a stock shifter, then theirs no point for a stock car on the street to have one.
If all you want to do is improve the feel of the loose stock shifter, get upgrade the shift linkage to a thicker one and get better or brand new bushings. Done and Done.[/QUOTE]
I don’t mean to threadjack but…
Do guys have any more info on the ITR shift linkage and shifter? I would just buy the OEM ITR shift linkage and shifter? What’s this I’m reading about the 94+ shift linkage working just as good? If that’s true could I buy any aftermarket shift linkage? I tried searching the forums but the information was pretty vague.
Thanks for the good info.