I plan on going with an I/H/E setup for right now cause thats all the cash I got, I might sometime way down the road get a small turbo kit, this is also going to be a daily driven car, racing on the weekends. Do you think I should get an Exedy OEM Type Clutch? Or Would a Stage 1 Racing Clutch be better? Also if I got the racing clutch is it imperitive that I get a lightend flywheel?
a stage 1 clutch is going to grab better hot, but it will not last as long as the oem clutch. No you do not have to get new flywheel when you get the clutch, you should get your factory flywheel serfaced at your local machine shop before the new clutch goes in. With a light flywheel your car will tach up a little faster, you will gain some top end and loose some low end.
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So if I lightend my flywheel I would gain some topend and lose some low… Wht if I got a heavier one? Would I gain some lowend power, and lose some topend? Or would I just lose power in general?
well I actually dont know anybody who tryed to put a heavier one on. But I would think you car would not tach up good and you would loose power! not recamended
Clutchmasters Stage 1. ![]()
Originally posted by ntroie40
a stage 1 clutch is going to grab better hot, but it will not last as long as the oem clutch. No you do not have to get new flywheel when you get the clutch, you should get your factory flywheel serfaced at your local machine shop before the new clutch goes in. With a light flywheel your car will tach up a little faster, you will gain some top end and loose some low end.
you’re wrong about a couple things. Fact is that a mild clutch like a stage 1 will probably actually last longer than stock. yes, it is made to grip a little more (most stage 1 clutches are actually pretty close to oem clutches). Aftermarket clutches are made a little better than oem (assuming its a good brand) and it’ll last longer. I got an exedy organic racing clutch for my car, haven’t installed it yet, but i’m pretty sure its gonna be the best bang for the buck. Better holding than stock, stills VERY streetable, better quality than stock, and under $270 shipped.
a lightweight flywheel will not give you high end power, and it will not give you low end power. Fact is that a flywheel does nothing to your power. it is NOT a power adder! It simply puts less strain on the motor. The flywheel spins as the motor spins. since its heavy it has a lot of rotational inertia. Meaning it just wants to keep spinning exactly how it is. It takes force to slow it down or to speed it up. With a lighter flywheel there is less rotational inertia. meaning it takes less for the flywheel to slow down or speed up. Which translates into the motor will rev up faster (because it takes less time and power to get the flywheel spinning up to the same speed as before) and when you take you foot off the gas the motor will slow down faster (the rotational inertia isn’t as high so the flywheel is more willing than before to slow down).
he is right, you don’t need a new flywheel. just get your stock one resurfaced. i had mine lightened, balanced and resurfaced.
Originally posted by 91IntegGS
a lightweight flywheel will not give you high end power, and it will not give you low end power. Fact is that a flywheel does nothing to your power. it is NOT a power adder! It simply puts less strain on the motor.
You are wrong.
A lighter flywheel will add more HP because less power is lost in the drivetrain/flywheel.
It takes power to spin up the flywheel. If U lighten it, more power goes directly to the wheels.
If you dyno’d a car with a stcok flywheel, then put on a 7.5lb flywheel, you should see an increase in power.
Originally posted by notecLS
[B]You are wrong.
A lighter flywheel will add more HP because less power is lost in the drivetrain/flywheel.
It takes power to spin up the flywheel. If U lighten it, more power goes directly to the wheels.
If you dyno’d a car with a stcok flywheel, then put on a 7.5lb flywheel, you should see an increase in power. [/B]
we’re both right actually. i’m talking bhp, you’re talking whp. I just want to make sure the guys understand its not helping the motor push any more air through it (afterall combustion engines are sorta just big air pumps). The lighter weight does cause there to be less strain on the engine, thus giving it a little more power at the wheels. But still, thats not why the main reason why you get a lightened flywheel. You get a lightened flywhele mainly for:
-rev up faster and rev down slower
-less rotational inertia so it makes the motor think the whole car is a little lighter (same theory as lighter wheels are faster…however flywheel makes a MUCH bigger difference). There is some generalization out there. There is some generalization out there that says 5lb off the flywheel is like 200lbs off the car… not sure if those are the numbers, but its something like that.
Originally posted by 91IntegGS
we’re both right actually. i’m talking bhp, you’re talking whp. I just want to make sure the guys understand its not helping the motor push any more air through it (afterall combustion engines are sorta just big air pumps). The lighter weight does cause there to be less strain on the engine, thus giving it a little more power at the wheels. But still, thats not why the main reason why you get a lightened flywheel. You get a lightened flywhele mainly for:
-rev up faster and rev down slower
-less rotational inertia so it makes the motor think the whole car is a little lighter (same theory as lighter wheels are faster…however flywheel makes a MUCH bigger difference). There is some generalization out there. There is some generalization out there that says 5lb off the flywheel is like 200lbs off the car… not sure if those are the numbers, but its something like that.
When people measure FLYWHEEL horse power, is the flywheel on or off the engine? :think: ![]()
To your defence, it only frees up the equivilent of about 4hp. its not like “Damn”. $300 for 4hp and the stress of daily driving isnt worth it to some people. Most people do it for autocrossing, ,s o they can rev-match quickly.
Originally posted by notecLS
[B]When people measure FLYWHEEL horse power, is the flywheel on or off the engine? :think:
To your defence, it only frees up the equivilent of about 4hp. its not like “Damn”. $300 for 4hp and the stress of daily driving isnt worth it to some people. Most people do it for autocrossing, ,s o they can rev-match quickly. [/B]
damnit, i’m not gonna argue with you again, lol. You know what i mean still. is it actually measured at the flywheel? or do they measure it at the crank? i’ve heard it said both ways. I’m thinking they probalby bolt something to the motor in place of the flywheel…meaning that is how much hp the motor is translating to the flywheel, not what the flywheel is translating to the clutch…get what i mean? either way, that doesn’t matter, we can discuss that technicallity all day long… its not what i’m getting at anyway.
like i said before, people don’t get a flywheel to add hp…do a search no one out there even mentions the fact that it could increase whp. I was searching around and its been gone over a couple times here before. I was off on my numbers before. 1lb off the flywheel is ~25 lbs off of the car (meaning thats how it should feel). Of course this is not exact. Weight off of the outside of the flywheel does more than taking weight off the inner part of the flywheel (an oz at the outer dia has more rotational inertia than an oz near the center of the flywheel).
I just had my flywheel lightened. Not sure if they took 5lbs off, or if they took it down to 13lbs. I originally thought it weighed 18lbs, but upon searching i found the stock flywheel actually weighs 19. Most of the material that was taken off was taken off more towards the outside (i’m guessing thats how its normally done) so i was pumped! man its so much thinner and lighter than stock!
also, you mentioned about loss of streetability. I know a handful of people running itr flywheels (14-15lbs) and they could hardly even tell a difference with it. And i know some others running the clutchmasters flywheel (7.5lbs? something like that) and they said it took a little getting used to, but nothing difficult to drive. I’m putting a whole new motor so i won’t really be able to tell how much its going to do though. But from what i hear its a real “makes the car a lot more fun to drive” type mod.
damn, i just realized i argued again… damnit colin STOP!!! STOP!!! STOP!!!
Originally posted by 91IntegGS
[B]damnit, i’m not gonna argue with you again, lol. You know what i mean still. is it actually measured at the flywheel? or do they measure it at the crank? i’ve heard it said both ways. I’m thinking they probalby bolt something to the motor in place of the flywheel…meaning that is how much hp the motor is translating to the flywheel, not what the flywheel is translating to the clutch…get what i mean? either way, that doesn’t matter, we can discuss that technicallity all day long… its not what i’m getting at anyway.
like i said before, people don’t get a flywheel to add hp…do a search no one out there even mentions the fact that it could increase whp. I was searching around and its been gone over a couple times here before. I was off on my numbers before. 1lb off the flywheel is ~25 lbs off of the car (meaning thats how it should feel). Of course this is not exact. Weight off of the outside of the flywheel does more than taking weight off the inner part of the flywheel (an oz at the outer dia has more rotational inertia than an oz near the center of the flywheel).
I just had my flywheel lightened. Not sure if they took 5lbs off, or if they took it down to 13lbs. I originally thought it weighed 18lbs, but upon searching i found the stock flywheel actually weighs 19. Most of the material that was taken off was taken off more towards the outside (i’m guessing thats how its normally done) so i was pumped! man its so much thinner and lighter than stock!
also, you mentioned about loss of streetability. I know a handful of people running itr flywheels (14-15lbs) and they could hardly even tell a difference with it. And i know some others running the clutchmasters flywheel (7.5lbs? something like that) and they said it took a little getting used to, but nothing difficult to drive. I’m putting a whole new motor so i won’t really be able to tell how much its going to do though. But from what i hear its a real “makes the car a lot more fun to drive” type mod.
damn, i just realized i argued again… damnit colin STOP!!! STOP!!! STOP!!! [/B]
Haha, you made a good point. Is flywheel hp the amount of hp applied to the flywheel, or after the flywheel? Hmmm… one of lifes many mysteries :sucks: