Some facts about wheels....

I was over at Honda-Tech and there was an argument over real vs. knock off wheels. Mainly Mugen vs. Rota counterparts. Although I’ll be the first to admit that Rotas are decent wheels at low cost, there is no comparison to a forged wheel. The argument brought on this post and I thought many of you would find useful.

Cast
Casting is a relatively inexpensive way to produce a high-quality, fairly strong alloy wheel; many aftermarket alloy wheels designed for street use are made this way. In common gravity casting, the wheel maker begins with a prototype “plug” that is used as the positive to produce the mold. This plug is usually made by machining a piece of material (often plastic or other phenolic material) on CNC machining equipment to produce a highly precise model. The “negative” is then made from the positive by pressing casting sand around it. The sand is actually a composite slurry that, when compressed under high pressure, becomes quite hard. Think of what happens when you walk down the beach: Your foot compacts the sand and makes a very accurate, very stable negative impression. It’s the same principle, just with high-tech sand. Next, molten aluminum alloy is poured into the sand mold and allowed to cool. When the sand is broken away, you’re left with a wheel that only needs minor finishing (like drilling and possibly trimming of some excess metal) to be considering complete. Negative pressure casting is a similar process, but instead of pouring the molten material into the mold, the molten alloy is drawn up into the mold using a high-pressure vacuum. This eliminates much of the trapped gas found in the gravity casting process, producing a stronger wheel that is much less porous than a gravity-cast one.

Billet
Billet wheels are machined from a solid chunk, or “billet,” of material. First, a telephone pole-sized piece of aluminum alloy is produced (or bought from a vendor). Since this piece of stock is generally extruded, the grain runs through the stock, much like the fibers within a single strand of wire. The stock aluminum is then sliced up into sections which are machined down into either complete wheels or just wheel centers. Since they retain the grain structure of the extruded stock material, billet wheels are extremely strong. This grain structure, which is not present in a cast wheel, gives the final product a backbone–makes the wheel even stronger without adding weight. Of course, billet wheels are also extremely expensive to produce because much of the original material is wasted. A lot of time is also spent machining the original stock down to a finished wheel, which only adds to the cost of the final product. Actually, most “billet” wheels are actually billet centers bolted into stamped or spun rim halves. Entire wheels forged from a single billet are so rare as to be almost nonexistent, and are usually seen only on show cars. Billet centers on multi-piece wheels, however, are common.

Forged
Unlike casting or machining (billet), forging uses intense heat and pressure to transform a slug of alloy material into the final shape of a wheel. Under this heat and pressure, the original grain structure of the stock material is forced from the center of the wheel towards the outer edge. This grain structure is even stronger than the one found in a billet wheel because it runs along the spokes and serves to further strengthen the forged wheel’s spokes, while the grain in a billet wheel simply runs through the spokes. Thanks to this process, a forged wheel can be up to 300 percent stronger than a cast wheel. Additionally, since forged aluminum is stronger than cast aluminum, less material is needed to produce the wheel, resulting in a lighter product. The costs of tooling, development, equipment, etc., make this type of wheel very exclusive and usually demand a high price in the aftermarket.

i wonder if i can use that info for extra credit in my physics class…probobly not… (copy, paste, print, talk some bs, = extra credit )

What about the Spoon Wheels, many of them are made out of Magnesium, which bends very easily.

WHAT ABOUT STOCK GSR RIMS?

how are the stock gsr rims done, cast or forged? well if it is cast and cast is good enough for acura i will stick wit low budget cast (im a college student) i will jus have to limit the amount of fat asses riding wit me.

Re: WHAT ABOUT STOCK GSR RIMS?

Originally posted by stillDPG
how are the stock gsr rims done, cast or forged? well if it is cast and cast is good enough for acura i will stick wit low budget cast (im a college student) i will jus have to limit the amount of fat asses riding wit me.

Stock is cast.

That’s some good/accurate info. Sounds like it came right out of my Manufacturing Processes text book from freshman year. :smiley:

ARCHIVETHIS :stuck_out_tongue:

for some reason i just figured it was common knowledge that everyone knew the differences between casting, forging, and machining (like the billet ones). I tend to forget that i’ve been raised around this stuff my entire life. my father is a jeweler, and thus works with metal all day long. He makes pieces both by casting and forging (soon he will also be doing some machining I think).

I’ve actually worked with some of the metals as well. Done casting, and made some simple things by forging (although its a bit different from how they forge wheels).

If imagestation was working right now i’d post a pic I have of one of my friend’s broken wheels. just by looking at how it broke you can tell it was cast.

just by looking at how it broke you can tell it was cast.

Cause you can see the airbubbles in the cast?