Sounds pretty sweet…:burnout:
Hate to say this guys but you are wrong if you belive aerodynamics does not come into effect at autocross speeds! Put your hand out the window at 30 miles an hour and tell me you can’t feel the air. And just as an example here is a story about a friends car, the worlds fastest autocross car and it generates more than a ton of down force at 35 miles hour, wind tunnel tested!
Read about it here! The Phantom!
A little different than what can be applied to a Teg, but cool nonetheless.
I just disagree that wings and kits, when attached to a production car will make a substantial difference. If it did, aerodynamic drag forces are no secret, and I’d think that most of the top drivers would use huge wings and such.
Anyway, my original point is that creating such a setup would be outrageously expensive (to manipulate a G2 into becomeing aero efficient like the cart above), and shouldn’t even be considered until the driver, suspension, engine, brakes, etc. are thoroughly tweaked.
Edit: I just read that Phantom article. That thing is pretty awesome.
Hello GSpeedR,
Class rules prohibit most aerodynamic aids or guys would use them. Look at any MOD or production car class that allows them and you will see wings, spoilers, air dams, spliters, altered body shapes…
The Phantom is not a cart it has full push rod coil over suspension in front and semi conventional coil over in the rear.
Chipper,
I hear you on your quest for functionality. I am not a fan of body kits, and I’m guessing you aren’t either. I too have thought about functional body parts as I’m planning on buying another car and turning my teg full race. I think you would be able to fabricate your own front lip, similar to Roger Foo’s, given the right materials and enough time. The hardest part would be the adjustment. I believe his has an adjustable angle of attack, allowing you to balance drag, airflow, and downforce. I don’t think rear wings would be much help to us unless a front wing is used as well to help maintain balance. If you are, I would recommend looking at a wing from C-west. They make lightweight, functional, adjustable wings, but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
I hate body kits but I do recognize some values that many of you are overlooking. They’re small benefits, but:
1.Increased airflow over intercoolers and radiators if using a big mouth.
2.Perhaps better airflow to brakes for cooling.
3. less drag due to exit holes in some rear bumpers (I’m stretching).
DOHCtor-- thanks for the info…i will definately look into it once the other stuff is squared away…but i kinda have to get the car together first…haha…
Originally posted by DB2-R81
Class rules prohibit most aerodynamic aids or guys would use them. Look at any MOD or production car class that allows them and you will see wings, spoilers, air dams, spliters, altered body shapes…
Mmm k. But I would still argue that well designed pieces are incredibly expensive, and that one can economically transform a teg into something like that unless the budget is huge. In any case, I have swayed from my original argument that it’s no good for autocross and changed it to a financial and “bang for the buck” compared to driver, suspension, engine and stuff.
BTW Marc, did you get my last e-mail?
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I agree with Chris (GSpeedR) on most points. Functional aerodynamic packages are almost solely determined by extensive wind tunnel testing on scale models. I visited a wind tunnel testing facility in Indianapolis where their scale mock-ups were made out of carbon fiber and the tour guide said that they cost in upwards of $125,000. They have a bevi of accelerometers within those scale models to measure any acute change. The tires were even made out of carbon fiber and realistically rotated. Granted these are CART and IRL teams with mega buck budgets, but the point remains that the best aero-kits will cost too much for the average consumer due to the cost of wind-tunnel testing.
If you want to learn more about everything involved with the aerodynamics of real race cars, read this:
http://www.nas.nasa.gov/About/Education/Racecar/
If these things weren’t functional, then race teams and/or OEM’s wouldn’t utilize them today. A full-blown race car’s body kit is TOTALLY different from anything offered by companies like Wings West or Kaminari in terms of functionality.
mojoGSR92-- that is an incredibly informative site!!! ill be reading for a while…thanks…this is one of the most interesting posts this site has seen. thanks everyone who posted on the topic!!
By the way, here is a picture of the kind of scale model I was talking about. It’s a 40% scale model that is just about as accurate can be.
