what kits or lips are most functional to the teg?? i know that good ones will keep you on the ground better than any wing, so are there any out there for ours? is the RS kit functional??
None are truly functional, it’s really just eye-candy since the speeds in which you actually attain some downforce on most “aero” kits are extremely high.
i dont believe that…all the cars in the the SCCA solo events have functional kits, are these custom??? mugen makes functional lips for other cars…even if not at high speeds, less air under the car makes it more stable
Just look at all of the kits for our cars… how is some crazy looking bumper going to make our cars handle better. Some kid at my school bought a foot tall aluminum spoiler for his pretty much stock del sol. His reasons were A) it adds downforce and makes the car handle way better, even just around town. he said it was almost as good as lowering his car B) it looked good (with an otherwise stock body) C) it was carbon fiber
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ya im sure erebuni has a 3d modeling input needle and windtunnel and requires a minimum of a caltech aerospace degree =P
Originally posted by JETSPD1477
None are truly functional, it’s really just eye-candy since the speeds in which you actually attain some downforce on most “aero” kits are extremely high.
I agree with JETSPD on this one, though you don’t. SCCA cars (like you pointed out) are often times going much faster than you think. Take for instance your interstate driving, speed limit is 55-65 (perhaps even 70). SCCA cars are running this fast or faster, yet they are making quick turns, quick braking, things of this nature. Most of them don’t have any major aero kits on them, and if they do, I am most certain that it is not for the sole purpose of adding more downforce. If I had to say anything, I would say it is to make the cars more aerodynamically smooth. Much of an SCCA car is in the suspension, which is where your money would be best spent, if handling is a concern. Your Integra will not do the speeds in which a good aero package will be effective.
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i agree with you on the fact that under normal driving conditions, the best aerodynamics in the world wont make much of a difference. but i am very interested in doing autocross and i was just curious if there are any serious aero upgrades for our car or if they would have to be all custom. im curious to learn about aerodynamics in general.
B17a-- as you said about most of the money being spent on suspension, that is my first objective. my budget is not nearly of a race car like the realtime team, but i plan to do as much as possible. but if i am able to find/design/build a functional and economical aerodynamic upgrade, i dont see why not. but yes, suspension upgrades will be first.
93gsr-- yeah, that is pretty much pointless…thats not at all what im going for…actually im trying not to have a wing at all…and as for eye candy bodykits, thats for show i dont need or want that. people seem to add upgrades after convincing themselves that it will do something that it will not.
so if anyone has any information on aerodynamics in general (ive been looking around) i would like to see it. pictures especially, wind tunnel shots would be interesting…
found a couple pictures of mugen parts…shows the air path over and under the car…it could be complete BS, but i think mugen would take some time in designing their race cars.
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http://www.kingmotorsports.com/images/exterior/itr_flow1.jpg
this picture shows the front airdam wrapping underneath the car…i think this would be easy to do
http://www.kingmotorsports.com/images/exterior/itr_bumper.jpg
this picture shows an open airdam in the front with an open vented hood
http://www.kingmotorsports.com/images/exterior/itr_flow2.jpg
it makes sense to me…any opinions??
If you want to improve anything improve your driving/racing skills before getting up to speeds where spoilers/bodykits are needed.
i plan on doing that…but that really wasnt the point of the post…im just trying to learn about aerodynamics, especially in terms of the g2…only trying to find options
i think what we’re trying to say is the quest for a functional kit/lip is futile. if anything, common sense is all you need. like of course a smoother kit which flows with the body would be better, but id focus more on looks. even if it wasnt as smooth flowing as a mugen kit, im sure the airflow difference is moot- unless its being directed at the radiator, but thats another story
every little bit helps…look at people trying to save weight…same concept…looks are unimportant to me, but regardless of the amount of improvement, any is better than none. the deciding factor would be if it is a cost effective upgrade.
There are complanies that make functional lips for SCCA racing. They are semi-custom and rather ugly for street use with exposed rivets and such. An example of something that I assume is functional and somewhat pretty is the lip found on Roger Foo’s Civic. Found here:http://homepage.mac.com/rogerfoo/.Pictures/427spread.jpg
I remember reading in SCC that it is a plywood and fiberglass creation.
rivets are beautiful…haha…thats what i was talking about though…function over form…who cares what it looks like…not that i would really need something like that…
Unless you manipulate the factory bodylines of the G2, it will never be that aerodynamically efficient. The joint where the windshield meets the hood is not very efficient and you’d have to spend rediculous amounts of money to change that.
You mentioned autocross as one of the reasons you are “into” aero upgrades. You do not reach speeds high enough to produce significant lift in a car in an autocross, even on a loose open course. Even in the national competitions, the racers are not concerned or forcused on the aero function of their car at all. Most don’t not use any additional kits because of their weight penalty.
all the cars in the the SCCA solo events have functional kits
I would defanitely argue that the SCCA cars all completely functional. That’s a lot of advertisement space produced by their bodykits. Also remember, you do not drive a SSCA car, and you are not traveling at speed requiring lots of downforce to ensure stability. The cost of such equipment (usually carbon fiber) is very high, and I doubt that Roger Foo’s car produces much downforce with that lip.
Also, to achieve downforce, you don’t simply want to block it from getting under the car. F1 cars (even the 360 Modena) have extensive underbody work which channels air under and out the back of the car. Something that you cannot achieve with a G2.
regardless of the amount of improvement, any is better than none.
If you honestly believe that then will you please buy my carbon fiber tire valve caps and fiberglass windsheild wipers? 
I hate to be the Philistine here, but focus on another part of your car. The expense is outrageous (Mugen kit, and I can draw in little airflow lines on any kit. That doesn’t mean that it used a wind tunnel during design), and the improvement is neglible for anything you can do with the car.
wow…you are the first person that i have been convinced by…i wasnt trying to come off as someone who would believe anything, but was more interested to learn the concepts behind aerodynamics. what you said makes sense to me to an extent, but the major reason i think that it is not a primary focus of most race teams is the cost. if a team had unlimited funds, i think that it would be much more important.
i never really expected to make a highly efficient vehicle out of the g2, but there is always room for improvement…
oh yeah… can we Archive This??
lol good point
if you put rivets on your car, sorry but ill have to call RICE haha
chipper np. i used to wonder about aerodynamics too back then… but then i also used to think wings were too advanced for me and helped or something
When I said racing I didn’t mean solo. Any type of aerodynamic modifications are useless for autocross. In AutoX my average speeds are around 20-30mph. On a roadcourse my average speed is a higher than 60mph, aerodynamics could make a difference here but its most likely not worth it. If you plan on autocrossing aerodynamics is a complete waste of money but suspension will make a huge difference.
thanks everyone for your input…VERY informative!!
by the way— GspeedR— im focusing on EVERYTHING!! im going to be buying a junked integra here soon (maybe easter weekend) and i will be completely redoing it…
so far shes getting this before its on the road:
- b16a sir-I swap
- exedy clutch and clutchmasters 7.5lb flywheel
- GC and Koni yellows (progress rear sway bar 22mm if i can afford it)
- 16" rota subzeros with kumho 712s
- custom straight piped exhaust to 5zigen fireball (i think)
im building an LS/VTEC right now too…ive got the b16 head all torn apart…thinking of going all skunk2…the block will have PR3 pistons, eagle rods, gsr girdle, ARP hardware, etc etc.