Where's Integra and Civic on Honda of Japan's site?

http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/

I thought Integra was just nixed for the US market, but now I’m not seeing any Civic models. I didn’t realize there was no Civic in Japan for the past eight years!

Honda has reported that the standard Civic model will be revived for the Japanese market in 2018, after an eight-year hiatus that entirely skipped the ninth generation.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/life/atcars/news/20160225-OYT8T50070.html?cx_thumbnail=08&from=ytop_os_tmb

Still doesn’t explain Integra/RSX though. :think: Thoughts?

Honda has lost focus on selling a low cost high quality car for younger people. They have lost an entire generation of perspective car buyers. They took great cars (Integra and Civic) and down sized them into small unattractive cars (RSX) and forced unwanted redesigns on to their customers ( dash mounted rally shift, really who thought that was a good idea?) while denying access to the cars people wanted ( Civic Type R).

That is why you see so many KIA Souls on the roads, like Civics in the 90s! They are a good quality car for under $20,000.

Honda needs to get back to their roots, and give the people what they want!

The last straw for me was the RSX. I never liked the design of the interior, mostly the dash and the rear seats were basically not useable for anyone other than a child. The interior just seemed cramped and bland. I always hated the name change to RSX (and all of the others for Acura). When a car has a name it has recognition. When someone says “I have a Legend” you instantly get a picture in your head. When someone says “I have a 3.2 CL” my mind refuses to acknowledge the information and I’m like “what the hell is that?”

I really thought it was only the US market. Didn’t realize at all it happened at the motherland. Geez.

I’m not sure if the NSX will bring that back either. I’m thinking it’s being developed to spur that sort of excitement in Honda again, but. . .

[QUOTE=2ndJenn;2335430]Honda has lost focus on selling a low cost high quality car for younger people. They have lost an entire generation of perspective car buyers. They took great cars (Integra and Civic) and down sized them into small unattractive cars (RSX) and forced unwanted redesigns on to their customers ( dash mounted rally shift, really who thought that was a good idea?) while denying access to the cars people wanted ( Civic Type R).

That is why you see so many KIA Souls on the roads, like Civics in the 90s! They are a good quality car for under $20,000.

Honda needs to get back to their roots, and give the people what they want!

The last straw for me was the RSX. I never liked the design of the interior, mostly the dash and the rear seats were basically not useable for anyone other than a child. The interior just seemed cramped and bland. I always hated the name change to RSX (and all of the others for Acura). When a car has a name it has recognition. When someone says “I have a Legend” you instantly get a picture in your head. When someone says “I have a 3.2 CL” my mind refuses to acknowledge the information and I’m like “what the hell is that?”[/QUOTE]

I sort of agree. But…

Gotta remember the RSX was an American thing. The JDM RSX was still an integra. I think they did the best they could with that car… yes the interior wasnt for everyone (more on that later) and the exterior styling was hit or miss, but, the car was a rather affordable 2 door sports coupe with arguably the best engine for the platform. The K engines are awesome, well developed and loaded with potential. The backseat issue was just a compromise between adhering to augmenting safety standards and keeping the compact, fun coupe. I dont fault them for that.

Honda isn’t after the fringe anymore though. They are after the mainstream. We’ll probably never see another CRX (they tried to while making it ultra efficient… again going after that mainstream. It was a classic example of not committing to what you’re doing). Cars now are so overly complex, laden with electronics and computers that they aren’t all that friendly to the builder… the engine that you get is probably the one you’re keeping. Honda made the civic into the ultimate, affordable, pedestrian sedan. I’ve driven a few new ones… the interior is the best example I can think of in a modern vehicle that tries to appeal to everyone. It’s so blah.

The ultimate move that honda has made in recent years to reinforce the fact that they are after the mainstream, in my opinion, has been the move to drop the manual transmission from their entire Acura line. Nothing says yuppie soccer mom quite like the current offerings from Acura.

It’s a reaaaal shame too… cause the Japanese Import offerings in North America are terrible, save a few examples. Subaru has stuck true with their STi’s, I really applaud Toyota on the FR-S, even though they are weak engine wise, but really, that’s kinda it… we’re past the days of Import Wars as we would like it, for now. Currently, the import war is targeting the people who need an appliance… the ones who look at sticker and how many options they can get for X price. The Civic competes directly with the Hyundai Elantra, Toyota Corolla and Mitsu Lancer. It that’s not a sad list, im not sure what is.

And really, why would they venture out? They make a killing in the non-enthusiast market. It seems now the enthusiasts have shifted towards muscle cars (this is just like the 60’s and 70’s). My father just bought himself a 2016 Mustang GT. That car corners like it’s on rails, it’s a 2 door car with a manual transmission that is geared directly at the enthusiast. The styling is aggressive, the interior is bold… pretty much what JDM cars used to be. I doubt we’ll see a resurgence out of Japan for a few years. They have a huge market and there seems to be enough for all of them.

You make some valid points. At the very least, the current car scene makes cars like ours much more memorable and worthy of restoring.

I couldn’t agree more.

Our cars are now the ones that will roll up to meets and attract the people that have been into this car thing for awhile. A clean, tasteful Integra is just so attractive. Unfortunately, a lot of our cars (and Civics, Preludes, Accords and a few others) from the 90’s and early 2000’s didn’t make it past the “Fast and the Furious” era. They just got butchered with cheap shit. Either that or they were used as a car and got neglected, wore out and thrown away. They didn’t have the prestige status of a BMW M3, so they got turfed. Or, they got really affordable and owners chose to throw cheap parts at them while trying to keep up with the stuff they saw in the magazines.

I’ve also noticed a serious shift in owners, as well. And this is true in all circles… import, muscle car, offroad… owners don’t want to put the time in. I’ll use Jeeps as an example because I’m pretty heavy in that community as well (I have a 2011 Jeep JK Rubicon as an offroad toy). Jeeps that get used offroad are fairly labour intensive. Wheelbearings, u joints and bushings are pretty much an annual thing and the Jeep has to be checked after a good day on the trail. How it used to be was the guys that owned them did most of the stuff themselves, so had at least a moderate amount of knowledge about how they worked. But recently, it’s shifted more towards owners not being able to tell you much about the Jeep other than the brand of lift and what tires they have. I helped a couple of guys recently with a really simple issue, all of them were standing around gawking…they had no idea how to fix it cause a shop takes care of all of their stuff.

This is pretty true about cars, too. A lot of people aren’t doing engine swaps, really modifying the cars other than suspension that they bought somewhere and threw under the car. That is what they qualify as a “build”. I’m not sure if it’s due to the complexity of cars in recent years or a shift of demographic, but, it just reinforces the fact when you see a clean, well modded, classic (yes we count as classic) import, it makes it THAT much sweeter of a treat.

I guess this is all just motivation to not let our cars die.

Everything is cyclical… cars aren’t an exception. The muscle car almost died completely in the 90’s. Now? Stronger than ever. There are cars putting out over 400 hp to the crank that are pretty easily affordable to most people. Hopefully the Japanese imports make a rebound in years to come. For now, we’ll keep our classic cars alive.

I’m seriously wondering if it will make a comeback though, considering that cars now are excessively computerized. There’s only so much you can do when computers control and monitor everything. You might modify something, and it throws a code and then something else unrelated won’t work. I’m just speculating though. I still don’t have a new car and thoroughly enjoy not having a car payment. We’ll get a new one eventually, but we have a difficult time finding one that has. . . personality.

I bought a Kia Soul Red Zone as a commuter car. It has all the bells and whistles I would want, no plans to modify it at all. I have plenty of other older cars to modify.

New car = Daily driver?

[QUOTE=N FUL FX;2335493]New car = Daily driver?[/QUOTE] yes, my wife’s office moved 30 miles South. She couldn’t keep driving the Excursion , lol making a car payment was cheaper than paying for the gas! I switch back and forth with all the other cars because I stay local.

I can attest to this. I work in a Chrysler/Jeep/Ram dealer. Even worse, I live between Vail and Aspen, Co. Most of our customers have lots of money, and know they want a “bad-ass off road machine”. I would bet that 90% or more of the owners haven’t got a clue what they are doing with the vehicle… let alone know how to work on it.