I’m sure Colorado is nice but I would hate the winters.can’t drive in snow at all.but yeah if it were legal for the b20 i’m in for sure.california has got a hold on us by the balls.
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IDK, thats if your in cali, just make it easy on urself. you dont want to get ur car crushed, its not koo.
werd dan it does:(. Thats why I always kept enron looking clean and simple esp when I had the c5 in there. I didnt want any trouble with cops and having to take my car to the ref. I was very fortunate.
i tried to find any new laws online for smog on the b20. I couldnt find anything.
and mikes right i love cali. smog laws are strict but they have to be we have alot of cars on the road here. hey dan how are you and tami doing?
[QUOTE=INTEG-;2125445]I’m pretty sure it’s perfectly legal. and the thing with older engines in newer cars is that the engine has to be the same year or older than the chassis. (I’m pretty sure but correct me if I’m wrong).
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Make things easy and just bore out a B18B. B20 is the same thing as a B18B(BORED), basically it.[/QUOTE]
THAT IS THE MOST ASS BACKWARDS INFO I’VE READ AND IT IS TOTALLY WRONG!!! scroll down to “ENGINE CHANGES” it hasn’t changed the B20 will never be legal in our vehicles because the CR-V is classified as a truck and the integra a passenger vehicle. the law has not changed since it was reinstated. and yes JDM engines are useable so long as they are converted to the same US SPEC. ie., b16 = either del sol or civic si spec depending on your ODB, b18c = GSR or ITR spec depending on your ODB and vehicle also the head is important because we all know the c5/itr heads are different from c1/gsr heads. all emission equipment must be there including the port for OBD2 scanner, which means the cabin and engine bay harnesses. a REF told me its easiest to go up 1 ODB like from OBD0 to OBD1 because jumping up from OBD0 to OBD2 is too much work since you do not have any of the equipment already in the vehicle.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm
Well the page you posted up was last updated 2008. So if there was a change in the laws in the last couple months or even weeks then it WOULD NOT be on there so we will have to wait an see…
i see no reason for ARB to change its regulations involving motor swaps for gasoline engines. technology has not changed much since then and if you notice there is a list item for electric vehicles also. the only changes the state will make are for newer technologies. older technologies have no reason to change. allowing a passenger vehicle to house a truck engine is not going to happen, you’re better off waiting till the vehicle is considered too old and smog exempt because the technology for that year vehicle is outdated like carbuerated engines i believe its a vehicle that is 25 years old. B20 will never be legal, it has all the current smog equipment on it and is classified a light truck engine, you can wish all you want because its not going to happen. if you want to have a B20 than exploit the loop hole of alternate fuel and run the B20 as a propane setup.
[QUOTE=mav3rick478;2125868]THAT IS THE MOST ASS BACKWARDS INFO I’VE READ AND IT IS TOTALLY WRONG!!! scroll down to “ENGINE CHANGES” it hasn’t changed the B20 will never be legal in our vehicles because the CR-V is classified as a truck and the integra a passenger vehicle. the law has not changed since it was reinstated. and yes JDM engines are useable so long as they are converted to the same US SPEC. ie., b16 = either del sol or civic si spec depending on your ODB, b18c = GSR or ITR spec depending on your ODB and vehicle also the head is important because we all know the c5/itr heads are different from c1/gsr heads. all emission equipment must be there including the port for OBD2 scanner, which means the cabin and engine bay harnesses. a REF told me its easiest to go up 1 ODB like from OBD0 to OBD1 because jumping up from OBD0 to OBD2 is too much work since you do not have any of the equipment already in the vehicle.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm[/QUOTE]
I thought that the JDM engine was banned from California last year? they sent me a letter telling me that i may need to change my JDM swap to the USDM. That’s why i ended up moving to Nevada. Unless they changed it again. I found this on the net. It don’t say nothing about it but you guys might want to read http://www.racingbeat.com/emissions.htm
[QUOTE=mav3rick478;2125868]THAT IS THE MOST ASS BACKWARDS INFO I’VE READ AND IT IS TOTALLY WRONG!!! scroll down to “ENGINE CHANGES” it hasn’t changed the B20 will never be legal in our vehicles because the CR-V is classified as a truck and the integra a passenger vehicle. the law has not changed since it was reinstated. and yes JDM engines are useable so long as they are converted to the same US SPEC. ie., b16 = either del sol or civic si spec depending on your ODB, b18c = GSR or ITR spec depending on your ODB and vehicle also the head is important because we all know the c5/itr heads are different from c1/gsr heads. all emission equipment must be there including the port for OBD2 scanner, which means the cabin and engine bay harnesses. a REF told me its easiest to go up 1 ODB like from OBD0 to OBD1 because jumping up from OBD0 to OBD2 is too much work since you do not have any of the equipment already in the vehicle.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm[/QUOTE]
okay bro, thats why i said correct me if im wrong. but umm JDM engines are perfectly legal, they just have to pass emissions. state refs said that too. They also said that if you have a regular B18A or B18B, you can swap it with a B18C, u dont even have to bar it cuz its still a regular 1.8 liter engine. thats what 2 refs told me from 2 different places. the next place would be in San Francisco for Daily City. im out Wek Fest Time!!!
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d03/vc4161.htm
When i got my swap,i had to bar it.
- Its a B18c swap
- Japan has different emission equipment.
- They need to know what engine you have based off the year and the ECU your running. From what i was told,the JDM engine is illegal because even if it is the same motor,the compression of the JDM motors are grater then the USDM engine. Plus,if you got a B18b or c motor,they don’t know what engine it is based off that as well. And they also said that they are trying to save California money by having people buy there engines rather then JDM. But the best thing you can do it to call them like i did.
California Backpedals on Plan to Ban Black Cars to Reduce Emissions http://www.environmentalleader.com/2009/03/27/californias-plan-to-reduce-emissions-ban-black-cars/
Wow since when have crackheads been allowed to become state refs? If i were you i’d stop listening to those people, better yet stay away from them because their stupidity might absorb into you by osmosis! You do realuze that engine size has nothing to do with getting BAR’d and a b18C is a totally different engine than B18A/B? You know those 4 extra letters on the valve cover signify a whole different engine series/classification with different parts, ecu, and layout. I’m done with this, its not fun making fun of the ilinformed anymore, i knew i should’ve just stayed out after reading page 1. But what do i know? I only used to work at a dearlership that had a smog tech that was very textbook and smart and was regularly visited by ARB, who i asked questions all the time.
91_LS, i don’t recall JDM engines being out right banned because with all the USDM emissions equipment the higher compression was neglagant. The only engine i knew of that couldn’t be BAR’d was the B16B because it never had a real USDM counterpart, it was a totally different beast from the B16A’s.
if the JDM swaps were legal, then why bother with the b20b, just drop in a b20z?
JDM swaps are legal in cali as long as they are a direct replacement and you still have to replace some parts. Meaning you cannot dump and bar a b20 in a DA or a b18c1.
If the engine is USDM you can pretty much make any swap legal. I saw a guy that bard his EG with an H22.
Reference: I have a friend who works in a referee station at Rio Hondo College where Im taking my training.
because the B20 is classified as a truck engine, not a passenger vehicle engine.
H22 is not classified as a truck engine unlike the B20.
Big difference.
I agree with Yuri.I would not trust it unless it is in print.
H22 is also not a Honda civic motor nor was it in any model civic. But you can bar it. As far as swaps go you can swap any motor from the same make and model of the car as long as its a newer engine than the original motor. Now as far as JDM engines same thing applies same make model newer engine as long as it uses USDM emission parts. And that is coming directly from a California state ref that we use at work. Police officers especially CHP are stuck in the past when street racing was still booming. They are going off old information on how to spot what , and what is in fact illegal swaps or parts.
bro, CALI is fucked up right now. nobody will know the real answer. thats what my home boys and i say. FUCK IT. if anything back on topic, just bore out a B18B, then u have a similar b20.
i’m new to this but if you bore it from 1.8-2.0…what about emissions? is it the same as having a unbored 2.0? i think i just answered my own question but i just want to make sure…
Hey so yuri is it legal for me to swap a V6 into my integra for mad powa!? 