Can I remove the cross member?

This might be a stupid question, but I like to ask before screwing up anything. I purchased the shift stabilizer bushing kit and I am having trouble removing the bolt that connects the shifter stabilizer bar to the tranny. The crossmember sort of in the way. My question is easy. Can I just unbolt the crossmember and lower it? Installation same removal with no problems?

Thanks,
Shaun Ladd

are u talking about the crossmember support or the actual crossmember. czu the one that goes parallel with the body of the car, that small piece of metal, is easy to remove and wont really affect ur car. the big crossmember that ur refering to that has a tranny mount on it is also removable. i never tried with hand tools, but from the looks on those bolts, its gonna be real hard getting it off. theres 4 bolts that hold it up, 2 bolts for some type stabilizer/strut, and 1 for the tranny mount. hth

ok I didn’t even realize there were two types. I am talking about the one that runs parallel with the header on the underside. It is about 3" wide and runs front to back. I am sure getting it off is no problem, but I don’t want to have trouble getting it back on.

can you drive without the cross member that has the tyranny mount on it??

I don’t plan on driving without it. I just don’t want to unbolt something that is difficult to get back into place. I need to remove it to get to the bolt on the shift stabilizer bar that connects to the tranny. It is rounded and a box wrench will not grip it.

Shaun Ladd -

If you are talking about the crossmember that has 3 17mm bolts under the radiator and 2 17mm bolts near the power steering rack, yes, you can remove it. There are only 5 bolts holding it in and is quite light.

Just make sure you put it back :smiley:

HTH

Thanks SE-37K. That is the info I was looking for.

Don’t bother with all that cross member stuff man… if you’re installing the short shifter it’ll be easier to just drop the entire shift assembly down and work under the car…

Or use a 3/4" impact gun and that should get that bolt off…

I know what you’re talking about, cuz I broke my 1/2" ratchet 12mm on that same bolt :frowning:

So my advice is forget all that stuff about the cross member and just drop the unit down and work on it under the car. Before you know it, the short shifter will be installed and you’ll wonder why you ever thought of taking off the crossmember :smiley:

I have already installed my short shifter and rear shifter stabilizer bushing, but the front one where the shift stabilizer bar is screwed to the tranny is not as easy. The bolt is a 12mm so I think if I can get my gator grip on it, it will not have a chance. But to get the gator grip on, the cross member will have to come down. Right now it is just in the way. It is like 1.5" from the bolt. I need to take off. Thanks for the input though.

is it safe to drive without a cross member? and what exactly does the cross member do? is it there for chasis stiffness or does it hold suspension components together?

I think it is there for chasis strength and rigidity. It may also be connected to one of the tranny mounts that someone else mentioned… I don’t think you can drive without it. I am not going to try, I just need to remove it to get to something else, then it is going back on…

anyone els have ne insight on the purpose of cross members. because i bent mine and i need to bring my car to the shop and i want to pay towing if i can drive it.

gator grip…lol…get some real tools :stuck_out_tongue: Anyways, from what I’ve seen, the gsr’s didn’t come with that brace that runs front to back. I jacked the front of my car up and put jackstand under the front crossmember, and when I removed the other brace, there wasn’t even any tension on it. How it’s positioned, the only direction it could brace would be front to back, and it wasn’t doing that at all, so I took it off.

Besides the Snap-On twist sockets, I don’t know of anything that is good at getting stripped bolts off. Snap-On twist sockets run $14-$16 each, so if you plan on donating a set, my arms are open. :smiley:

You CANNOT drive the car without the front crossmember. (The one with the radius arms connected to the front lower control arms.) It is very dangerous and you can do some serious damage.

The cross member that runs front to back on the car is not as critical. In fact, G2 GSR’s don’t have this crossmember and members who have done a B16 swap in their cars will find that it doesn’t fit.

Originally posted by JETSPD1477
[B]You CANNOT drive the car without the front crossmember. (The one with the radius arms connected to the front lower control arms.) It is very dangerous and you can do some serious damage.

The cross member that runs front to back on the car is not as critical. In fact, G2 GSR’s don’t have this crossmember and members who have done a B16 swap in their cars will find that it doesn’t fit. [/B]

that is true. i don’t have one :smiley: but the gsrs come w/ a jack point on the front subframe (xmember). if you remove the center connecting piece of the subframe, you can fabricate a piece to bolt in the middle of the front subframe to use as a front jacking point on your non-gsr.

Originally posted by JETSPD1477
[B]You CANNOT drive the car without the front crossmember. (The one with the radius arms connected to the front lower control arms.) It is very dangerous and you can do some serious damage.

The cross member that runs front to back on the car is not as critical. In fact, G2 GSR’s don’t have this crossmember and members who have done a B16 swap in their cars will find that it doesn’t fit. [/B]

aiights thanks JETSPD1477. when i want to remove it is there any particular way to remove it from the lower control arm? or is i just a simple bolt?

But what is the actual function of this cross member? It doesn’t look sturdy enough to use as a jackpoint, but it does look like it would add a little stability to the frame. You say the B16A will not fit with it in??? I may just go ahead and remove it them cause I am in the market for a swap. A quick question for you guys reading this thread. Is the YS1 the standard 5 spd tranny for a 1992 B18A Integra?

Originally posted by Shaun Ladd
But what is the actual function of this cross member? It doesn’t look sturdy enough to use as a jackpoint, but it does look like it would add a little stability to the frame. You say the B16A will not fit with it in??? I may just go ahead and remove it them cause I am in the market for a swap. A quick question for you guys reading this thread. Is the YS1 the standard 5 spd tranny for a 1992 B18A Integra?

yo bud, i think the confusion is that you aren’t using the terminology correctly. the cross member is the front subframe. the “sturdy” piece that goes from side to side. the middle piece from front to back is not the x-member, it connects the front and rear subframes. and yes, you can remove it w/o problems. like i said the gsr doesn’t even come with one.

that is your middle jacking point however, but you can just fabricate a piece to bolt in the middle of your front subframe to use (that’s what Dan–g2guru–did on his). the gsr comes w/ a front jack point on the front subframe already on there.

sorry, I thought that was referred to as the crossmember…Mine is coming off this weekend then… Thanks for the info guys