well, they think noise means speed…
in my B16b I CAN hit 10K, but i never have because its pointless
The header on Patrick’s car was designed for mid-high power, but it sacrifices some power at higher ends to gain it in midrange so the power curve falls on its ass about 9500. Rather than tune for a 10,000 rpm peak (which the valvetrain will do easily), it was smarter to live in the 6000-9000 range and tune the gear ratios to put us there.
dH, Man, I’m glad you brought that up. You see…I love revving. I would love to own a 10,000rpm motor that made power up there and does not need rebuilding every other month…I can’t explain it, and believe me, I’ve tried. The drive comes from inside, not external influences.
I’ve driven my car hard for months on end but always, with the expectation of something giving up at anytime. And when something broke I didn’t get angry…because I enjoyed every moment I spent braking it. I’ve invested over 12k in just the motor over the past 6 years I’ve own the car and I tried my hardest to keep all numbers matching.
Bottom line… some of us just love to rev the shit of of an engine I’m not sure of the original poster’s reason behind wanting a 10,000RPM engine.
Hey, how about Kyle’s dream engine. A b16a block w/ b17a knife edged crank and b16a rods with a bore of 85mm capped off with a CTR/ITR head and ITBs. A crazy under squared motor that would make power to 10,000 RPM if you can keep the damn thing together.
im trying to figure out…if money is not a problem…then why are u trying to make this build as low budget as possible? everytime someone suggests something, u ask if some stock part here and there will last to 10k rpms…
b16b/b18c with a huge cam and stupid high compression. just make sure you get some good rods, pistons, and valvetrain. you will also need a really nice header and itb’s wouldn’t hurt. i’ve seen in person and heard a couple gsr motors that revved over 10k. both were built by the same guy and were 89x85mm motors. one dart block and one sleeved gsr block.
Good call on that header.
10,000, in a small package in a 2000lbs car would be fun on some back roads.
Hey… do any one remember that pic of a Datsun 510 with a S2000 drive train?
9500 RPM and Honda’s factory reliability in a 1900lb car. Man!!! that’s where my head is at. Old school goodness with New school technology.
I do indeed love revving the engine that I currently have, even if it is to only 7k. I feel with the transmission that I currently have in the car, if I can get to 8-9k with the powerband being in the right area, I would be at around 70-75mph in second at pretty close to 9k. Already at 7k I’m at 60mph. I guess the goal isn’t so much as just have a 10k rpm engine, but to have the option for it to be that high if need arise.
I guess my reasoning isn’t perfectly sound but I don’t think it has to be.
To make it to 10k and actually have fun doing it, you’ll need some HUGE ass cams like the skunk2 pro3’s or equivalent and high compression (to make full use of those cams). You’ll also need a stout bottom end and valve train to match. If you are serious about this, go do some actual research and read up on engine dynamics and look at other people’s builds.
What are you going to be using the car for? If you’re daily driving it, good luck… you’d better have a second car.
You say money isn’t going to be an issue, but you’re already talking about setting up a budget later on. This will NOT be a budget build. If you’re going into those extremes, you will need the best of the best and you will need to have a very experienced (expensive) shop to build it for you.
Also, it’s not all about the parts you buy and install in the car either. You’re going to need some pretty heavy duty head work to make use of your power band.
You’re going to be spending more than $20K on this build… EASILY. Or you could spend like $5k on it and have it blow up.
just my 2 cents…
Is that it f0r the 10 grand motor?
-lafz.
I still wanna know, Why? What is the purpose to doing this? Are you trying to make a track car? Are you trying to be the little badass at a street race? Maybe specify why you want a 10k revving Honda. Im just really confused because even if you get it done, it won’t last long and then after 6 months to a year all you have is a 10k revving useless motor. So again I just ask, what kind of goal are you trying to achieve by doing this. That it why everyone asks your age, just because your coming off as a little 16 year old kid with a dumb dream.
NCteg91, What difference does it make what he wants to do with the motor?
I just want to see him build the motor… shit… I would just like to talk about building the motor. The goal is to find out or discuss what it will take to build a 10,000 rpm motor, that’s all. If it last 6 months… then someone built a 10,000 rpm motor that lasted 6 month.
Arg…I don’t want to argue.
Jeebus I’d love to be able to build that engine one day.
I have this fantasy of being able to have VTEC so loud that it could make peoples’ ears bleed and their eardrums pop. There are so many times in LA when I’m in Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, or on Melrose, and ballers roll buy revving their Ferraris and Lambos trying to get female attention.
I want to be able to smash by in that B-series engine (or an F20C with the same treatment) and make everyone wonder what the fuck they just heard. I want to make thier Ferrari sound like a bird chirping compared to my Honda.
:drool:
[QUOTE=kNOwLedGe420;1742661]Jeebus I’d love to be able to build that engine one day.
I have this fantasy of being able to have VTEC so loud that it could make peoples’ ears bleed and their eardrums pop. There are so many times in LA when I’m in Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, or on Melrose, and ballers roll buy revving their Ferraris and Lambos trying to get female attention.
I want to be able to smash by in that B-series engine (or an F20C with the same treatment) and make everyone wonder what the fuck they just heard. I want to make thier Ferrari sound like a bird chirping compared to my Honda.
:drool:[/QUOTE]
Kinda like this?
[QUOTE=digitalHorizon;1742663]Kinda like this?
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i still haven’t been able to ge used to revving high for power. all the engines that i’ve ever run usually have alot of power at idle and max power way below redline. i dunno… just adding 2 cents is all
“Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, or on Melrose”
Aren’t those TV shows?
kinda harsh there NCteg… 16 year old with a dumb dream, haha. who knows what his intentions are… i guess 10k sounds like a good number?? but please don’t street race i could care less if you harm yourself, but do not put other people’s lives at risk because you somehow feel the need to prove your manhood. take it to the track.
Im not saying he is but when you start a thread asking how to make a honda motor rev up to 10k…you get the point. I really just don’t understand the purpose of this. Just sounds like another who has the biggest dick thing.
I.E. Guy 1 “Well my car revs up to 9k”
Guy 2 “Wow thats good, mine revs to 10k”
Just seems pointless because you aren’t gonna make power up there.
who says you won’t make power up there? With the right parts, you can make power anywhere!
You could make power up there, but the application band would shrink severely.