I was wondering if anyone has tried the PIC Select or Apex coilovers on their DA. Any experience good or bad is welcome. From the reviews online everyone who has tried them seems to be very happy. I was planning on going 10K in front 8K in the back. Suggestions?
I just ordered a set of the 10k/8k apexes for my DB1. Won’t know for a few months if I like them or not, but I liked the warranty and rebuildability, the close relationship the owner has with the honda community (he gave away a set of selects at ITR expo 7), and the good rep amongst the amatuer racing community. The price worked for me too.
You can get a 5% discount by using the code H-TDC2R at checkout.
[QUOTE=steronz;1804999]I just ordered a set of the 10k/8k apexes for my DB1. Won’t know for a few months if I like them or not, but I liked the warranty and rebuildability, the close relationship the owner has with the honda community (he gave away a set of selects at ITR expo 7), and the good rep amongst the amatuer racing community. The price worked for me too.
You can get a 5% discount by using the code H-TDC2R at checkout.[/QUOTE]
Well, look who joined the party. :shock:
Someone got hisself a 2G teg eh?
Shitload of us got code 50’d. Lots of us will probably end up at Meade.
I have heard good things about them. When I was choosing my suspension they were on my list of choices, but after discussing my options with the Road Race / AutoX guys on Honda-tech I opted for the Koni RACE + GC setup as it seemed to be at least as high quality (quite possibly better) and if I remember correctly, more affordable as well.
The PIC’s ‘look’ fancier and that kind of thing goes a long way for people forming opinions, especially when you’re talking to people who just use them on their daily driver. That’s why I went straight to the road racers to see what they thought. After a lot of looking around I learned the following two things:
For the price, it’s nearly impossible to beat Koni Sport’s + GC’s
For the price, it’s nearly impossible to beat Koni RACE + GC’s
After you get out of those price brackets it gets a little more confusing.
i never understand why ppl put the higher spring rate in the front. fwd understeers and putting a softer spring in the back wont help you. you want the higher spring rate in the rear to help reduce understeer. same reason why people put bigger sway bars in the back.
It’s not just about how super-stiff you can make the rear of the car. it’s about balance, response, and feel. depending on the other components in one’s setup, sometimes that means softer springs in the rear than in the front.
that’s true greg, to an extent, but when you start getting into the more custom stuff from GC, the tendency is to have a higher spring rate (stiffer) in the rear to help neutrality.
some guys will opt to go for the super-stiff rear sway bar and retain OEM up front, instead of getting uber-stiff rear springs.
it’s all relative. it’s very much not encouraged, however, to get a shitload of aftermarket “stiffening” done in the rear without compensating for it up front–which is where some kids get in trouble. damn kids these days, with their music…
In regard to the front vs rear spring rate… it’s much more complex than “the front is heavier” or “the car is fwd so you need stiffer in the rear to balance”
There are SO many different ways to set a fwd car up that there is by no means a rule that says you “should always ________” Different springs, shocks, sway bars, alignment settings, tires… will effect what setup you want to run. Plus you have to consider things like:
autox vs road racing
street car vs track car
downforce / aero issues
high speed vs low speed
dive under braking
The list can go on FOREVER, every car is different, everyone’s needs are different, so everyone’s setup is going to be different.
i agree with you guys. all im saying is that all these coilovers i see on the market all have the heavier spring rate in front. this is more of a jdm thing then anything else. ive talked with the guys that track their honda’s in my area and they all run higher spring rates in the rear. any ways, like what armed ferret said, if it works for you then go for it.
I don’t think that it is “more of a jdm thing than anything else”. Yes, there has typically been a difference in the common suspension setups between japan and the US. But look at the GC coilovers, those come stiffer in the front, they are a US company, same goes for Eibach…
The reason which standard off the shelf suspension comes w/ a stiffer front spring rate is because they are not meant as race spec suspension setups. These setups are sport setups, parts for normal people who drive their cars on normal streets. Usually these spring rates are simply stiffer than stock and the difference front to rear usually isn’t changed too drastically.
Additionally, I feel that safety is a concern as well. Even though most people who modify their cars consider themselves good drivers, this is far from the truth. Does the avg enthusiast really understand car control? If they do, do they have experience? Companies want to provide parts which enchance the performance of a car, but typically these enhancements are kept pretty conservative. If they went out and packaged these kits with a rear biased setup the car may be too prone to oversteer… a situation which is a lot more dangerous than understeer.
Lastly, you can tell that these companies are not focused purely on giving you the BEST setup possible because they set your spring rate. You’ll notice that once you start getting into the upper echelon of suspension they are virtually all offered at whatever spring rate YOU choose. They may have a suggested combination which has been found to work well, on average, for people with the same vehicle and may be used as a good starting point.
I also have the 10k/8k PIC Selects along with the SS LCA’s on my DA and LOVE them!!!
Right now I’m sitting pretty close to dumped and it still rides pretty smooth.
Handling is great and I love taking 3 wheel shots :rockon:
The construction is tremendous and the materials used are top notch.
I have talked to the owner of the company via PM on honda-tech.com and he is very down to earth. He is very technical when explaining the construction and materials used.
I’m so very very happy with this company and it’s products, I’m so glad I didn’t go with the K-sports over these.
No Other colors, Gold w white springs are the only version available.
The K-sports are made with cheaper materials, and I’ve read a ton of horror stories about them on Honda-tech and other tech forums.
The seals tend not to last a long time and start leaking/blow under not so extreme conditions.
IMO, the only positive thing about K-sports is the color, But that is even cheaply applied. I’ve seen several sets that are faded or have been cleaned to resell and the Orange is missing in some areas.