My brother is running a heavily modded AWD DSM. He is easily out running new vets by about a car length. He has never liked preludes so I want to buy one and wear his auss out. I have found a 1998 vtech and would like to put about 15k into the engine (ie turbo, fmic, exhaust, etc.) outside of the cost for the car.
Question:
With this amount to spend can I get to were I need to be to hurt him?
You’ll never beat him on the street. On the track maybe, because you’ll be running (most likely) slicks. But AWD owns on the street.
And remember, there is no “from a roll” lane at the track. 
maybe if you used some high performnace V-Tech fluid you could beat him. but on or off the track you’ll lose…
No, if he installs a V-TECH phone, he’ll win for sure!
for $15K, you can build one hell of a fast 1G AWD + have money left over to buy a daily driver.
15k u can make a air cooled NA vw do wheel stands on the street and buy a beater 22r toyota pick up. it will embarass that DSM on off the track.
Why spend almost thirty grand to beat a car that can whip you for an eighth of the cost? :think:
Originally posted by B17A
Why spend almost thirty grand to beat a car that can whip you for an eighth of the cost? :think:
hes got a point…if u cant beat them…join em.
it’s all about the all wheel drive-only reason dsm’s own, besides the turbo and decent engine.
Originally posted by TIroneous
it’s all about the all wheel drive-only reason dsm’s own, besides the turbo and decent engine.
lol…so if they didn’t have a decent engine, turbo, or AWD, we might have a chance, eh? 
hahahaha :lol:
Got one word of advice…HEMI.
Originally posted by Hemicudatony
Got one word of advice…HEMI.
heh… 400hp + awd is hard to beat on the street man. And even on the track. Although the hemi IS capably of making MASSIVE amounts of power. The DSM was in the 8’s in full unibody form first. So don’t count these little beggers out 
Originally posted by Formz TSi
heh… 400hp + awd is hard to beat on the street man. And even on the track. Although the hemi IS capably of making MASSIVE amounts of power. The DSM was in the 8’s in full unibody form first. So don’t count these little beggers out
You can never count any of these cars out…but, your 8 second DSM didn’t cost $15,000, is not streetable, and is only still unibodied because of its underpinnings. In reality your 8 second DSM is more like an NHRA funny car.
I own two Hemi’s, one in pure stock trim (the Cuda) which I drive to the track, bolt on a set of 8 inch slicks, and pull off 12.0passes all day through a full exhaust, without headers. If I were to spray that car (even a relatively mild 125hp shot), the car would run high 10’s.Not bad for a driver.
My second Hemi car (65 Belvedere A-990 factory super stock car), runs low 10’s (no spray) with just headers and an open exhaust. Full interior, small tire, 3700 pounds with driver, with functionning headlights and windshield wipers. On spray that car run’s 8.50’s . And I trust my wife enough to drive the kids back and forth to school in it.
I have seen many fast "rice rockets, but over the long haul they just don’t stand up to the big boys. You need to spray them to shittt and run 20psi to get them to run (until they explode into a million pieces). Hey guy,don’t get me wrong, I enjoy driving my 92 Integra as well (01B17with 'bo and NOS), but if you really want to go fast, there is no substitution for cubic inches, dollar for dollar. Thats all I’m saying…
Originally posted by Hemicudatony
but if you really want to go fast, there is no substitution for cubic inches, dollar for dollar. Thats all I’m saying…
2JZGTE makes a pretty good substitution 
:naughty:
Originally posted by Hemicudatony
[B]You can never count any of these cars out…but, your 8 second DSM didn’t cost $15,000, is not streetable, and is only still unibodied because of its underpinnings. In reality your 8 second DSM is more like an NHRA funny car.
I own two Hemi’s, one in pure stock trim (the Cuda) which I drive to the track, bolt on a set of 8 inch slicks, and pull off 12.0passes all day through a full exhaust, without headers. If I were to spray that car (even a relatively mild 125hp shot), the car would run high 10’s.Not bad for a driver.
My second Hemi car (65 Belvedere A-990 factory super stock car), runs low 10’s (no spray) with just headers and an open exhaust. Full interior, small tire, 3700 pounds with driver, with functionning headlights and windshield wipers. On spray that car run’s 8.50’s . And I trust my wife enough to drive the kids back and forth to school in it.
I have seen many fast "rice rockets, but over the long haul they just don’t stand up to the big boys. You need to spray them to shittt and run 20psi to get them to run (until they explode into a million pieces). Hey guy,don’t get me wrong, I enjoy driving my 92 Integra as well (01B17with 'bo and NOS), but if you really want to go fast, there is no substitution for cubic inches, dollar for dollar. Thats all I’m saying… [/B]
:werd:
Do you want me to post the 9 second DSM that competes in the street class? IS daily driven, and IS VERY streetable? Sure…
Streetable, daily driven, 9 second slips. ON STREET TIRES.
Originally posted by Formz TSi
[B]Do you want me to post the 9 second DSM that competes in the street class? IS daily driven, and IS VERY streetable? Sure…
Streetable, daily driven, 9 second slips. ON STREET TIRES. [/B]
Brotha,
That’s pretty darn impressive, for sure…but can you honestly tell me you’re running 28psi on the street…if you are you have a lot of balls. That’s a good thing…
Look I don’t want to put down imports, I am just saying there are limitations to what can be squeezed out of them and still make them driveable (as there is with any car I guess). But $15,000 is plenty of dough, and for that money, you simply cannot beat a Hemi head pushrod motor (sprayed or not)…sorry guys, but old skool still rules at the track and on the street.
The most I’ve ever pushed on the street was 23psi. My current turbo isn’t efficient at 28psi so there is no need. My car can take that, but it’s not worth it because there isn’t power to be had up there with my current setup. And displacement does rule the street, IF they can get traction. A 1.6 60ft on the street is damn hard while still retaining street tires on a RWD car.
this goes back to my solution to this question. the 67 beetle is about 1700lbs stock strip it put a 2332 in it and a hair dryer. street, track it doesnt matter. their 9 and 10 second street driven VW’s the car will last only like 2 years max(most likely itll blow up in the first year) though. :gun2: PS some of those 10 second ones involve no nitrous or FI. dont hit me with the handling thing either cause no one cares about handling when the front tires arent on the ground.
:lol: That’s funny as shittt…lmao
Aren’t the horsepower wars awesome…you know, in the end it’s all about having a good time…doesn’t really matter what you drive…