i was wondering, i’ve seen block guards to reinforce the sleeves, now i’ve also seen the sleeves that basically are a sleeve and block guard in one…
i know those are probably the best way to go, but,
for someone on a budget, using stock sleeves and block guard, would that work well for forced induction? or high rpm motors?
i was thinking that if i got eagle rods/je pistons and a block guard i wouldnt have to resleeve.
and also maybe a block girdle.
450 whp is going to require a LOT more than just new rods and pistons.
OH MAN IS IT EVER … that is what I am planning, and you gotta be ready to spend ALOT to build the motor …
You have to REALLY fortify the motor, before you add that much power … research is your best friend … that is gonna be 20+psi … even if it’s not regular psi, you still need to build it to handle that …
Actually Josh i’d advise against “Pinning” the Block… solid deck sleeving like the ones from Benson’s and now Arias is making one is the way to go… and the units that Golden Eagle produces are nice pieces of work as well. I’ve personally seen cracks in the cylinder walls of the blocks… yeps u guessed it… right where the pins were. a block girdle is also extra insurance for your motor. all in all for 450hp daily driven… why go cheap??? take your time and get the good stuff IMO
the 450 hp wouldnt be daily driven
trying to get traction at 9psi will be fun enough on the streets.
so do you think that
a block, thats been resleeved with some Benson solid deck sleeves, some eagle rods and JE pistons with a block girdle and all has been balanced high rpm would be able to stand up to high boost?
Know that you need to have the block resleeved and a girdle is a necessity. Forged pistons and rods, all ARP hardware. Resleeving a block is no small task. Aside from that you’re going to need some beefy turbo parts. Plus a programmable ECU.
How are you planning on putting this power to the ground? You’ll cook pretty much any street tire pretty easily even with an LSD. I mean seriously, 450 whp seems quite far into the drag-only category to me.
You will never drive the car more than a 1/4 mile with a block guard or closed deck with out over heating problems. If you’re looking for sleeves look here the best in the business! Golden Eagle
heh thanks guys,
i already have my turbo parts and ecu planned out.
t3/t04e, maxrev forged ss manifold
720cc injectors
Hondata stage IV ecu.
high flow intank fuel pump.
etc…
Well, for building the internals, I would talk to a couple shops in the know … like give RPS a call, they were really helpful for me. Ask to talk to Eric. RPS does the high-end stuff, all-out drag motors with Top Fuel sleeves, they might try to sell you on them, but just grab the info he gives you, and leave before you spend $9000 on one of their crate motors …
Companies that make sleeves: JG Engine Dynamics, Golden Eagle, Darton, and Benson’s … wouldn’t hurt to call any of these places either. There are individual and T-sleeves (solid deck) … I am still undecided which is better for my intentions, because of the cooling issue. www.jgenginedynamics.com www.darton-international.com
As long as you know what you want, and the basic as well as the more complex system upgrades, these guys will be able to help you find exactly what you need.
JE pistons/Total Seal rings, Crower rods, Honda main and rod bearings, ARP bolts, sleeves = solid block.
The process I used was to flow through each system of the setup:
Internals (head/block)
Cooling (intercooler, radiator, fans, etc)
Oil (pump, pan/pickup, cooler, accumulator, etc)
Ignition
Fuel/Air (injectors, pump, intake mani etc)
Safety
Turbo
ECU/electronics
Tranny
Suspension
Kinda organized it pretty well for me … I dunno if that helps, or if you already did that, oh well
Originally posted by Integ5150 Actually Josh i’d advise against “Pinning” the Block… solid deck sleeving like the ones from Benson’s and now Arias is making one is the way to go… and the units that Golden Eagle produces are nice pieces of work as well. I’ve personally seen cracks in the cylinder walls of the blocks… yeps u guessed it… right where the pins were. a block girdle is also extra insurance for your motor. all in all for 450hp daily driven… why go cheap??? take your time and get the good stuff IMO
well I guess I’m not as smart as I thought I was, I’m pretty much against closing the deck on any honda motor now. Kinda makes you wonder why honda went from the closed deck on the H22 to the Open deck, hmmmmmmm…
Yes, I did but I was more interested in there Lexan windows. The fans have been around for quite a while, Lordco sells them and the last time I was at the main shop in Burnaby they had lots of them. They are at least 2" thinner so yes; you could save some room between your turbo and the radiator.
Originally posted by DB2-R81 You will never drive the car more than a 1/4 mile with a block guard or closed deck with out over heating problems. If you’re looking for sleeves look here the best in the business! Golden Eagle
Like Marc said, the best in the business! Golden Eagle Sleeves are not exactly closed deck, simply reinforced so there no are cooling issues, local machine shop said the sleeves were overkill, guess that was a compliment.
of all the info you can about blockguards on the net, most of it comes from people without any firsthand experience with them.
yes, there are cars with blockguards that overheat, but should we overlook the cars without them that do the same? there are many other more significant factors that lead to overheating issues besides having a girdle supporting the cylinder sleeves. poor tuning comes to mind…
with that said, i would still recommend sleeving over a blockguard. but not because a blockguard automatically means the demise of your motor, but because the cost difference between full sleeving vs. a mere cylinder brace has shrunk significantly within the past few years. you can now get GEM sleeves for around $650+, where benson’s sleeves used to cost $1000+ back in the day. that, and the fact that the sleeved motor is much stronger & can therefore handle much more boost should make the decision easy.
so 93integra, for your desired hp levels, all you need are the sleeves, the additional blockguard won’t be necessary. and as stated by others, GEM is the way to go.