STS remote mounted turbo.

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I tried to post this in the beta testing forum, being this is a new product for our cars and all but here it is…

Way back when i was a part of T-I there was a topic for a company called STSTurbo looking for a tester for thier rear mounted turbo. they had someone do it before and they are trying to get the numbers produced on his engine duplicated on another stock G2 integra. they are giving a great deal on the set-up and heres the email they sent me a couple days ago…

“Josh, I am not sure if you are still interested? We would be willing to make you a great deal on that kit for your car. Please email or call anytime and lets discuss. Thanks. Dave”

STS … Performance Made Easy!
David South
STS Power Dealer Program
V.P. Channel Sales
www.ststurbo.com
dave@ststurbo.com
801-224-3477 ext. 801

there is alink to their site down the bottom if u want to check it out. i cant do it due to vandalism to my car and i have no money for a turbo, have to fix the teg first. well if u all want it check it out and contact them. their still looking i think its only been 2 days.

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u know, i seen that website, and personally i think its a bad idea, cuz the piping is so long and the turbo filter might get dirty wet if its raining…but hey if u got it free…let us know how it felt.

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Saw that episode of Rides where they were modding those HHR’s. When I saw that they were mounting the turbo in the rear I thought to myself “WTF” why would you do that and thats a long run for the intake.

:shrug:

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i talked to them and its far from free… $2500 for a G2 kit :giggle: not to test it on my car lol

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WHY…? thats what i would have asked dave. it makes not sense look at the positives as opposed the the negatives… lowers enigne bays temps, Sleeper look, Not as much clutter underhood… and negitives oil lines could leak at the back of car killing motor, Superhot piece of cast iron waiting to light a buncha leaves and shit on fire, rain/snow and super hot metal dont mix (cracked turbing housing), seems like a really bad idea i could think of more but im tired

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Looks like it would be easy for someone to steal really quick.

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i was thinking that as welll.sounds EXTREMELY easy to to take

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Quite the contrary. The STS turbo system is an innovative design and it is an ingenious thought to mount the turbo there. Think about it, it saves space in your engine bay so there’s no need to relocate anything, you don’t have to spend rediculous amounts of money on a new slim rad or slim fan, your chances of having the oil line leak are the same as on your underhood setup, not only these reasons but there is no reason for an intercooler if your intake charge pipes are that long the air cools itself in the outside temperature, your oil return setup has a pump mounted in the line to return the oil all the way back to the engine. I can totally understand the concern about water getting into your air filter but with the optional precharger sleeve, or even the air filter snorkel that can mount inside your body panels, there is no need to worry about it. But think about it, the water would dissipate before it gets to the throttle body unless it was some rediculous amount. The intake temp of a normal underhood turbo setup is on average 110 degrees. Well with this kit, they observed temperatures of 175 degrees at turbo outlet and 115 degrees at the trottle body without an intercooler. Yeah, there is a chance that you can catch something on fire with the hot turbo, but shit your exhaust gets hot as hell and you run the same risk with it don’t you? You all have to be more open minded and think about new ideas sometimes because unless you understand it, you won’t get the concept. Besides, unless someone knows exactly what they’re looking for, they can’t take the turbo. Even if someone attempted that, I would think you would have ample time to catch them, it’s not like you can just rip it off. I’m not bashing anyone on their opinions, I’m just trying to shed some light on this subject. I plan on doing the same thing to my Ford Ranger Rice-Whipper. 320 hp and 390lb ft of torque here I come baby! BTW, check out the article on the following site: http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/148_0502_turbo/index.html I know it’s a Chevy Performance site, but it might help you understand this design and maybe want to give it a try yourself. I know I am going to do it.

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the idea is very well thought of, they sure do put out numbers on the ls1 engines. i was very looking forward to this product in my accord, but they never really got into it. it was just all talk.

positive notes are that the turbo won’t be subjected to the heat the engine gives off. and it’s a big plus on saving room in the engine bay.

buuuut the negatives are, i’m pretty sure they is gonna be turbo lag. and yes it’s all the way down under the car where water can easily get to it. but other than that really, it’s a very thought out idea.

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Well, when you think about it, there may be some turbo lag but there is with all turbos. They are using a T3/04 and that turbo is a big one, but not too big so spool up time is minimal. Also, it only takes that turbo 0.05 seconds to fill the intake tube as long as it is. I am a huge fan of their idea and I have been for quite some time. Someone turned me on to it and I’ve been wanting to find out for myself for quite some time. My teggy was boosted and it ran like a son of a bitch, Mustangs and Camaros were a thing of the passed for me literally, lol. The only thing they saw was my taillights. I want to put this thing on my Ranger and see what kind of gains I can get out of my big V6.

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Have the STS… Not too stoked on it…

Just a warning: this is gonna be a long post.

I actually have the STS turbo on my car. If you guys have seen the latest issue of Import Racer, that is my white G2 that got the STS system installed on it. I think I have a pre-production kit, so my experiences may be not be fully representative of the “final” product.

I have to say that I really didn’t want this kit on my car in the first place (as I had the block rebulit for N/A), but the kit and labor was free (as it was used for the magazine), and my friend (who runs the magazine) was just trying to hook me up with a favor – so I’m not too bitter about the whole experience.

Anyway, first thing’s first: the turbo goes in place of the rear muffler – and the turbo hangs much lower than the stock muffler. The wastegate also sits right on the rear sway bar. Given how low the filter sits to the ground, I’m pretty sure that this thing will suck up water – and my car isn’t even lowered.

The turbo unit itself is really noticeable too – this thing isn’t street legal, and it sticks out like a sore thumb on the car. To me, it’s an eyesore. To a cop, it’s an easy ticket. Not fun…

We also never got the turbo to run well. After installing the kit, the car wanted to run in “limp mode”. After tweaking some stuff (I didn’t do it myself, so I don’t know exactly what was done), we were able to get the car to run decently – but not as well as it did before the turbo was installed. However, we weren’t sure if the car would run normally long enough for me to get home. Thankfully, it did. Some aftermarket computers may easily solve this problem – I just don’t care for the turbo enough to spend the time/money diagnosing this problem.

Computer tuning may also change the drivability of the car. As it is, my car drives like ass. These cars don’t have a lot of low end to begin with, but my throttle response at low rpms is now terrible. When the turbo finally spools up, the car suddenly jumps forward. I no longer have the smooth Honda engine I love (and spent a lot of money building).

Oh yeah, my car now shoots oil (in liquid form AND as smoke) out of the “tailpipe” (which is attached to the turbo unit itelf). I just drove the car from the shop to my office (maybe 25-30 miles away at most). I let the car sit at my office for a few days, drove down the street to put in some gas when I noticed the smoke. I had to wipe a s***load of oil off my rear bumper too. Again, not fun.

I haven’t touched the car save for the time I had to drive it 15 miles from my office to my parents’ house for storage. I wasn’t sure if the car would even make it that far, but thankfully it did.

My friend at Import Racer asked that, if I want to remove the turbo, to ask him to do it and return it to him. That was before the kit was installed. Pretty much 10 minutes after we completed the installation, I wanted it removed. However, due to both of our hectic schedules, I have had to wait to get this done. My car is still sitting around collecting dust – it hasn’t been driven in months – and I am longing for the day that this turbo is off my car. I don’t want to drive it anywhere for fear of getting pulled over/stranded, so I just have to wait to tow it back to the shop. If I was more comfortable handling the wiring aspect of it, I could put the car back to stock pretty easily, I’m sure…

Oh well… at least it was all free. Luckily my job provides me with cars to drive, so I am not screwed having to pay/wait for any car repairs.

I’m sure this kit has potential if someone wants to work with it. I’ve read good things about STS kits for other cars/trucks, so I don’t think that the company/engineering is bad. I think that this kit is a bad match for ME, my car and the type of driving I want to do in my car.

Given the position and high visibility of the turbo, I’d recommend it for track-use only. Given MY experience with the drivability of the kit, I’d guess that it’s best suited for drag racing.

I don’t have any pictures on my computer here at work, otherwise I’d post some up. The pictures in the magazine came out kind of dark, so it’s hard to tell just how visible the unit is.

If anyone wants any more info/pictures, just ask. I’ll answer things to the best of my ability.

Hope this long rant answers some of your questions.

Justin

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Buy the november issue of import racer magazine. theres a section where they put the sts turbo kit in a white DA shell. very interesting!!!

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The negatives FAR outweight the positives. It’s not even worth arguing.

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As I said in my post, that’s my white DA in Import Racer. If any of you have that issue, you can kind of get an idea on how the kit looks on the car. Not too pretty in my opinion…

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there is no muffler right. i can see the whole thing under the car from the outside. it should be mounted higher so people wont see it while cruising on the road.ppl will be like :wtf: is that a turbo??

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Yeah, I agree that the whole thing should be higher. The unit’s visiblity is one of the reasons I don’t like it. The problem is, that’s as high as the unit can go. The STS system uses the factory exhaust hangers, so it’s just hanging onto the car by a couple of pieces of thick rubber…

The only way to get the turbo to sit higher would be to cut away at the floor of the trunk. Not a good way to go…

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anyways, i think i saw that same turbo kit on a dc2 car in the web. i forgot the website but the car is a yellow DC type r. i like it because it nicely done. the car is lowered and the turbo isn’t noticeable. the best thing is that the car made like 300 something hp. not bad but the owner seems to be happy and having no problems on it

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I saw that same DC2. I think it was a demo car built by STS, as there’s a feature on it on the STS site. I don’t have a DC2, but I’m guessing that the DC2 has more room for the kit than the DA does…

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so STS turbo kit is really good if installed properly. its a new innovation in turbocharging. i cant believe that u got ur car suped up and dont have to spend a penny. but i know it runs crap but how. the kit maybe wasnt installed properly. you should fix ur car and make run like a real turbo honda :clap:

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please, more info/pics.

as far as the problems you’re having, they seem to be problems that can and should be fixed by release time, like the oil feed leaking and engine management.

if it provides boost, sure why not. the negatives can be worked around.

personally, i don’t like the idea. i don’t think it will gain popularity with imports. i predict it will get lost in the history books. tried and true ways will stay.