where can you get a wing like this
Looks like the Integra Type R wing… i could be wrong though
yea that is what i thought also. but is no a type r wing
Really i’m new to the whole Import thing…I am a big Domestic guy(Hint My Name)But i dont want to sound rude…but how does a wing help a FWD car? Wouldn’t it just create downForce and less weight on the front tires(which run your car)??
Dont get me wrong thats the nicest wing i seen ,and its on a DA
if you have no down force in the rear the back floats so you need some down force but not a lot
I think on some FWD cars that are built to race, They have the wing to help keep the car from lifting up off the ground… read that from a article somewhere.
But for most of us who never really do that kinda racing to go fast enough i think its just for looks.
That wing… Im parting out a 2000 Civic SI in my auto body class ( :down: ) and it has a similar looking wing to that, the previous owner got it from another civic.
woundn’t our stock wing be fine to keep the back end floating?
Some G2’s didnt come with a stock wing, So why not add one like that?
I grew up around domestic’s… I got the first import in my family :).
When growing up i stood at my uncle’s house on the weekends and helped build up his 1964 Eclomino, then it had a chromed 454 with all the aftermarket parts… took it to the “good guys shows”… Now he still has that elcomino but it now has a 502 in it, he added a 1964 Chevelle SS ALL original with matching numbers, only non stock things on it is 1 headlights, bulbs, battery, some wires and the paint (original color though)… a 1940 Chevy coupe he’s still working on, a 1964 Impala SS and a 1950 GMC pickup… the elcomino he got from the junkyard, the coupe also… the chevelle from my neighbor where its been sitting for atleast 20years, the 64 impala was running but in bad shape and the truck i have no clue…
Pretty sweet. i am also the 1st in my family to own a import.IT was pretty funny when they seen it next to my camaro.
Ps i do know its not on there stright.
Digital Horizon will be able to tell you what wing that is. That’s his boys car…
And yes, it is a track car, so when going down a straight an 90+mph, and braking, the wing creates the downforce needed to keep the rear tires down and better stabilize the car…
Digital also stated that in some other thread, I’m gonna get sued for plagiarism…:run:
isnt that like a hiro wing…may be wrong
Actually you’re going to get thanked!
The wing is made by Hiro Japan, which is no longer in business. For more info you can email tnd2gen@yahoo.com, he is the owner of the car and has lots of information he’s more than willing to share. I find myself learning more and more from him every day.
The car is more of a track car that is streetable now, as opposed to a street car that is taken to the track. For next season we will be adding more downforce to both the front and rear of the car, and most of the first few months of the season will be spent tuning the car’s aerodynamic balance. I have taken the lead in the aero while Patrick is going to focus on chassis and engine upgrades (looking for a 30 whp bump for next season as well). Next year should be a very good year and we’re looking forward to tuning our way toward an ultimate goal of being [one of] the fastest DAs in the world.
An FF car needs downforce as much as any FR car does. Most of the North American market grew up with domestics, as I myself did (my Dad had a Buick GN). Because of this, we are all stuck in a drag racing mindset, where power and traction matter, and little else does. The most common argument I hear is, “you don’t need downforce on the rear of a FWD car.” For drag racing, unless you are in the very high echelon of FF drag racers, this is 99% true. Downforce is still a good thing, but only slightly for stability purposes. The essence of aerodynamics is that there exists a tradeoff between lift and drag (“L/D”, lift-to-drag ratio). This means, that for more downforce you add, more drag is created proportional to the shape and profile of the wing/airfoil. Different shapes and configurations produce different L/Ds. It is very complicated and probably beyond the scope of the common automotive enthusiast, so I’ll leave that to personal research if you’re interested.
Because the USDM market is so geared towared drag racing, wings on FWD cars seem stupid or pointless to them. However, in road racing aerodynamics take a completely different form. A FF car has different dynamics than a MR or FR car on a track, and those differences must be “corrected” in order for an FF car to be competitive. Whereas in drag racing you’re trying to put all the weight (normal force) on the front tires for acceleration traction, would you want to have traction at only the front two corners when taking a turn under 1.5g braking from 180 km/h? Traction is needed front AND rear on a road race car, which is why there is a wing on this car and more downforce will be added for next season. Corrections with weight balance, suspension setup, and brake bias, as well as aerodynamic balance and tuning are used to balance the car so that the driver feels as little understeer as possible, since that phenomenon is inherent to FF cars. Tuning the DA chassis in particular has been difficult. I myself have only been a small part of this project for only a short time, and I have learned much about FF aerodynamic tuning from Patrick himself, and added it to my own knowledge of fluid mechanics and computational fluid dynamics to produce a sound 3D fluid flow model around the race car.
What it comes down to is, even though a car is FF, you want downforce on all 4 corners of the car so that you’re getting as much grip as possible in cornering. If you look to any serious or professional race team that uses an FF platform (RealTime racing RSX/TSX, any BTCC FF teams, Super Taikyu series japan) they all use large aerodynamic devices to plant the rear of the car to correct the front end normal force bias inherent to FWD cars.
Thanks for your interest.
skidplates next season? or has that idea already been done or tossed out?
Making the car as flat as possible underneath is also a very high priority. The front of the car is flat bottom up to the front wheels as of now. Our attention is focused toward the rear of the car at this point.
that spoiler and me should go out back and :-* for a while… is there any company that makes that spoiler anymore? was that spoiler made for a DA or a DC? and finally… how much did it cost?
The spoiler is DA specific. I don’t believe there is any company making them new anymore. I know Pat had to source two used while he was in Japan.
digitalHorizon, Thanks for in in Depth Information :rockon:
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