Yes, I knew a guy in Japan who raced high speed circuits who used (and needed) one on his DA5. The cheaper GT 3D wings are a little heavy, so thats the only reason I dont recommend them. The real dry carbon GT wings are more expensive then our entire car.
No, not big in America. Not too many high budget circuit DAās, so you dont see it.
Aside from tuning, the parts are basically DC Aragosta 12 stage pillow balls up front with 15K Swift springs and EK Zeal B6 with Swift 16K springs in the back. I have a lot of chassis mods (8 point chromoly cage, 22m rear sway, Fender well supports, to name a few) aero tuned for slight understeer at high speeds and tire staggered with big offset up front for 2nd-3rd gear corners. Very important things are the clutch type LSD and the spherical bearings up front.
Again, this all depends on the type of circuit you drive on. This car is set-up for mid to high speed driving.
Hereās a simple way of understanding downforce. Your tires are the only think in contact with the ground, and they basically work like this. They have a certain āstickinessā or coefficient of friction (Ff). Total friction force (Ff) is the coefficient of friction times the force pushing on it (Fv or vertical force). The formula looks like this Ff = Cf x Fv. The vertical force can be from one of two sources. First, the weight of the car always produces a certain amount of vertical force. Unfortunately, a object in motion wants to stay in motion, so even though the weight of the car creates more friction force, it also makes it harder to turn. SO thatās where aerodynamics and downforce comes in. If you can invert a wing so that it is pushing down, you can add to the Fv. Obviously, this only occurs when the car is moving, and moving fast at that. You wonāt get much of a downforce even at highway speeds, but if your racing at a fast enough speed it can be a considerable difference. Ever notice now a formula one car SPEEDS UP when it goes into turns? This is because the driver is trying to get as much Fv as possible, to increase his total Ff of the car.
By the way, to those who have aerodynamic degrees and such, or particular info to my DA. Iām looking for some more advanced textbooks or info on this subject, Iām just an enthusiast, but Iād love to learn more! Maybe you can find the ISBN number of a good textbook, and I can find one that is an edition or two old on amazon.com for a good price. Also, if itās not too much trouble, please email me! Thanks!
For someone without formal fluid dynamics education, you understand the basic concepts of Newtonās laws pretty well.
Iāll have to look into some literatureā¦ but for starters, check out sae.org. They have a lot of professional seminars on vehicle dynamics, aerodynamics, etc. I attend some for work but unfortunately, since my company doesnāt do actual race car work, I canāt get into any of the race car dynamics/aerodynamics seminars. I get stuff in the mail all the time inviting me to race car seminars, but its not free through work so I havenāt gone. Check if maybe you can find some published work through their site on the subject.
All the internet aerodynamicists have convinced me and Pat that our use of aerodynamic devices on the rear of a track ready FF car were in error. Weāve decided to admit that we were wrong in our proclamation that his wing helped the handling and balance of the DA, since all of the effective downforce was lost to the weather stripping in the hatch.
So, we took it off.
He was able to shave 3 seconds of lap time with this change alone, along with his CF mirrors, which saved some weight.
The sae.org site is pretty cool, Iāve seen some of their articles trickle out, but mostly they require a subscription, and without knowing which one is worth buying and what ones are notā¦ well Iām too poor to guess and check. Let me know though if you have a book on your shelve that you keep coming back too, most of them are only available on the internet so I canāt read them first, either. Also, could you keep an eye out for a beginners fluid dynamics book? Other than āair acts as a fluid, moving onā¦ā
Do you have any info specific to the G2 3 door Integras? Some info that Iāve found that others might find useful:
Some formulas:
Cd x area (A) = Air drag coefficient
Calculated
A = 1.875m squared
I have some more I found, but Iām not positive of the units, so they arenāt worth much to list. If someone shows interest Iāll look it up again, the sites are bookmarked.
So wait, how is it all āabsorbedā by the weather stripping? Iām not seeing how the weight generated by the wing wouldnāt make itās way to the wheels.
chsscott, Its sarcasm. He ran the car this past weekend at the track. I think he took it off for the track configuration he was runningā¦unless he just did it for some pictures to fuck with people.
Iām still curious what rear lip that is. I am interestesd and several people have asked about it too! Looks really clean and would match my set-up nicely.
haha weāre actually cutting up the rear bumper to make room for the diffuser, and the trunk has already been cut up and re-welded. Iām going to do my best to block off the entire rear section with big carbon plates so that the airstream can flow out cleanly and not get trapped under the rear of the car.
Driver side is fairly easy, passenger side is hard as hell because of the exhaust.
Iām just a fag like that. I like to spread my misinformed information around like its cool, then act like Iām too cool when its all said and done.
Besides, I leave for a while, I come back. If you donāt like it why donāt you ask to get me banned? Iām sure you can round up some digital haters and AIM the founder in hatred of meā¦ Iām sure heād love that. Plus youād give me a nice warm fuzzy.
Anywayā¦ we took the damn wing off for a reason, I snapped some pics and we thought itād be fun, which it was until your sandy vagina came in and made it not fun anymore.
Youāre like a breathing Rota thread, after you come along, the whole day just gets ruined.
Come on genius, letās hear something GOOD. None of this āIām not going to play your gameā BS.
You obviously didnāt know what you were talking about, I explained it to you as best I couldā¦ and you still said I was wrong. You even called me an assā¦
If for taking the time out of my day to explain to you and answer your question gets me called an ass, should I have just not tried at all? Are there tons of aerodynamicists waiting in line to answer your questions? I would have thought, even if you didnāt get it or agree, that you would at least appreciate that I TRIED to explain the concept as best I could. Youāre one of the reasons I left in the first placeā¦ you ask a question, I answer, but because you donāt like the answer Iām an ass.