[QUOTE=thatblkguy;1935793]U should check the laws over there first on whats legal and whats not.
I dont think a cage is on that list.[/QUOTE]
When i was talking about the cage it was for 90lst.
I know this cause when the company I work for brings cars back from Japan the DOT makes us remove the roll bars or cage before being permited back into the USA since we drive them from the port to are offices in there words its “unsafe and can cause death” WHICH IS TRUE
Yes I have been in a street crash with a full cage and suffered two broken ribs from the harness alone and yes it was FIA legal and a black eye from hitting one of the bars (but that can happen in a race aswell). The cage was built per SCCA/NASA rules harness was mounted the correct way in my AE86. Cage built by Tim benson SCCA/NASA racer. Roll bars just like cages are not DOT/NHTSA approved. please post the link to show that they are are even one roll bar that is stamped with a DOT number… unless it was sold from a auto manufacture like jeep and so on It DOESN’T MEET DOT/NHTSA RULES FOR STREET USE.
But also like I said check the UK laws regarding the use of a roll bar or cage in any street car you don’t want the car to held at the port they will charge you up the ass and could even deny the car from entering.
Im waiting on a email back from the DOT/NHTSA but who knows when I’ll get that back.
Roll cages and bars are not illegal There just not DOT Legal.
And also welding your doors shut and crawling through the windows you cant even get on a course and past tech like that if your in any street class But I would really like to see the vehicle or highway code for that. But I do know thats ok for older cars like from the early 60’s since they had no type of srs.
Your the one contradicting the majority one here, which says they are not illegal, IMO, since you are the only one saying that they are, maybe you should be the one that does the searching. Not some rule that your company has to follow, which might be because of the insurace company that your business goes through does not permit them.
Been looking for anything in the state of washington and nothing is anywhere in Title 46 RCW Motor Vehicles. Here is the link:
Now that last link that I posted, at the bottom there is a link to email any questions in regards to vehicle equipment and I emailed them just now with the question on the legalilty of roll cages and harness. I will post up a response more then likely this upcoming saturday, which will be the next time I can get on the wifi out here in the desert. Our government computers block G2IC unfortunatly.
[QUOTE=japanjay;1941320]Your the one contradicting the majority one here, which says they are not illegal, IMO, since you are the only one saying that they are, maybe you should be the one that does the searching. Not some rule that your company has to follow, which might be because of the insurace company that your business goes through does not permit them.
Been looking for anything in the state of washington and nothing is anywhere in Title 46 RCW Motor Vehicles. Here is the link:
Now that last link that I posted, at the bottom there is a link to email any questions in regards to vehicle equipment and I emailed them just now with the question on the legalilty of roll cages and harness. I will post up a response more then likely this upcoming saturday, which will be the next time I can get on the wifi out here in the desert. Our government computers block G2IC unfortunatly.[/QUOTE]
as for a harness there is only one that is dot legal in the states so thats not an issue.
And it was not any insurance company rules it was the DOT officers at the port of long beach who tells us to remove them.
I also have a email from art morrison who says that they are for off road use i’ll be more then happy to send that to you.
and like I said Roll cages and bars are not illegal There just not DOT Legal.
Here is the email I recieved back from the Washington state inregards to whether or not they are legal on the roads. For the people that live in the other 49 states I would adise doing the same thing I did, go onto your states vehiclular laws site and look for a link to email questions to and get a definitive answer before you listen to someone base a claim on something that they are required to do at work. Now beside Schroth there is another company, cant remember which one, that also has shoulder harnesses that are DOT approved. From what I have gained is as long it does not deal with being restrained there is nothing that would make it illegal to put in your car. From reading through various other laws, just out of interest, aftermarket stereo equipment is illegal, that is if it is not securely mounted in the car. That is just an example.
PS: Still waiting on someform of proof that a cage is illegal to have in your car. I showed you what I had gained from a reputable source now where is yours? And it better not be some email from a rendom person, unless they work for the Department of Transportation or someone in your State Legislative Office.
To: Jereme Harris
From: Equipment
November 3, 2008
This is in response to your e-mail.
There is nothing in the law that we are aware of that would restrict you from installing a roll cage or shoulder harness in your vehicle so long as the installation of such items does not otherwise cause the vehicle to be out of compliance with the state or federal regulations for a street legal vehicle. You can access the federal regulations online at http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_06/49cfr571_06.html and the state laws may be accessed at http://www1.leg.wa.gov/LawsAndAgencyRules.
Like I said before roll bars and cages are not illegal in the eyes of any state that I can think of. But they are just not DOT legal they are for off-highway use only just like any aftermarket part that’s what you are not understanding. send a email to autopower or any manufacture and they will say what I just said off-highway use only.
And once again the claim I made about removing roll cages and bars has nothing to do with my job I don’t work for the DOT that was said by a Dot officer at the PORT of long beach,ca. I work for a auto manufacture in the racing division and we can care less but the law tells us what to do you have to go by what they say. Now if the cars were for off highway use then we wouldnt have to remove them but since everyone of them has a state plate we have to unless we want to pay a fine.
Screen shot the email and post it please. You didnt even post what you said to them who ever “Equipment” is. We all know the law about the use of a harness that was never in question. whats in question is if A roll bar/cage IS DOT legal for a street car not state legal and will they let you into europe with it
Also your state has some fucked up laws when it comes to aftermarket parts more then in CA. Most of the parts you listed puts your car out of compliance with your state law
Im waiting on a return call from david colman of the DOT I just got off the phone with Ed chen of the DOT there is a rule about the use of them but he said david would be the person to talk to.
Irregardless of them being DOT legal or not, they are perfectly fine in washington so that is all that matters to me. As far england, well if it is not legal, where it keeps me from bringing it out of the port, then I will unbolt it, drive out, then bolt it back when I get to my house. Also in all the years of being in the import scene, I have yet to hear on any forum someone getting a ticket, not passing inspection, or anything to that matter when refered to having a cage or bar in your car. I would think if it is as big of deal as you are making it out be then you would hear it left and right. I mean there are thousands of cars on public streets everyday with a cage or bar not only in the import scene but also in the old school muscle scene and no one can find anywhere on the net a topic where someone is saying that they got ticketed for it. End of story. hread :fingban:
Out of curiosity what did I list is illegal where I currently live at? Humor me…
Hear is the question I emailed them. Short and to the point.
To: Jereme Harris
From: Equipment
November 3, 2008
This is in response to your e-mail.
There is nothing in the law that we are aware of that would restrict you from installing a roll cage or shoulder harness in your vehicle so long as the installation of such items does not otherwise cause the vehicle to be out of compliance with the state or federal regulations for a street legal vehicle. You can access the federal regulations online at http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_06/49cfr571_06.html and the state laws may be accessed at http://www1.leg.wa.gov/LawsAndAgencyRules.
Last thing, I mean 99% of the stuff that is out on the market is for “off-road use only”; but, that doesnt mean you are going to get pulled over for it and get a ticket. Only thing that matters in the eyes of the state that will cause you to get a ticket for is height, lights, tires, seat belts, and tint. Other then those I cant not think of anything else. Now for smog you have your exhuast and what reading you give and also the db of it.