[QUOTE=unified112;2318773]Correct me if I’m wrong, but there was no “other batch” made by JDP until this group buy.
When Slasher had his made up, they charged him for the cost of making the mold… AND the parts.
They were working under a contract. The mold was owned by Slasher after the building process.
I know this because I tried to contact JDP and buy one direct from them, as Slasher was super flakey on here and wasn’t staying in contact with people. They explained that they could NOT sell me one and that the transaction had to be handled with the purchaser… who was Slasher.
This current group IS the second batch, as far as I know.
So from my understanding, anyone who currently has a JPD Hiro replica, has one from the first (and only)batch made.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GhostTeg;2318749]I’ve been told by someone who has a JDP wing and he said the ebay pics look messed up for some reason, he had his made after the first batch Slasher got and his looks legit.
I don’t know EXACTLY when he got it but it was after the first batch and I’m guessing/hoping they will be like this.[/QUOTE]
unified i think i know what you mean. The picture of the car Fr1s posted was a guy who purchased his cf hiro wing sperate from the first batch that was made. Actually he just called them and purchased it like 5 months ago. So it proves that JDP is selling them outside privately to close people. that sucks to hear because now there are more wings out there. and i have got proof of this. So apparently JDP did keep the mold.
[QUOTE=Colin;2318776]requested access to those shared links…
I think riveting was how the original Hiro was done but I need to confirm with Carlos. The mugen wings use the same style of clamp but there’s a secondary “wing” bracket secured to the wing itself so the “clamp” bracket clamps the wing bracket to the deck of the hatch. Same concepts but slightly different execution. I need to look at the pics you sent and discuss with some other people but I like the simplicity of simply using one bracket and riveting it to the wing.[/QUOTE]
Hey so does that mean you never got my email ? sent it the same day Colin.
yea i sent pictures to Colin about those rivets damaging the paint under the trunk. On my car i have so much damaged paint under the trunk from mounting different wings and trying out the different hardware i have. and yes they do sit higher. that is what sucks about pancake/any replicas out there. To me it looks funky and off, and a real hiro sits so flush and nice.
Basically it clamps both the trunk and wing together. Theres another way to do it, but i rather not try it. But you drill a hold and just connect the wing and trunk with bolts and such lol My friend actually did this for his pancake wing because he couldnt wait 2 days for me to take him his hardware lol
[QUOTE=wingbox;2318783]Hey so does that mean you never got my email ? sent it the same day Colin.
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Yeah, I never got an email. Figured you got busy and never got around to it, but now that I should have a wing within the next week I was going to contact you. I’ll check my spam to see if maybe your email went in there.
As for the rivets and damaging paint… Before I put my foot in my mouth I need to see how close the tolerances are, but this doesn’t sound like something that isn’t extremely easily remedied.
well about scratching ur hatch… I have a good idea… take rivets out and make small plates to stick under the screws so it doesn’t scratch where the contact point is on the under side of the hatch… I’ll keep u guys updated…
[QUOTE=Colin;2318788]Yeah, I never got an email. Figured you got busy and never got around to it, but now that I should have a wing within the next week I was going to contact you. I’ll check my spam to see if maybe your email went in there.
As for the rivets and damaging paint… Before I put my foot in my mouth I need to see how close the tolerances are, but this doesn’t sound like something that isn’t extremely easily remedied.[/QUOTE]
Yup resent it. If you ever wana test out the hardware i have to get a better idea just let me know and we can meet up or something.
My impression was that it was designed to have double stick tape or some sort of foam between the wing and the hatch. This is how my friend said his Mugen is mounted and also something that Carlos brought up in our email conversation. I was assuming that I’d be designing the brackets to allow for some sort of protective material here.
After speaking with Carlos it is the underside of the hatch he’s worried about scratching up. I think the damage here may be unavoidable and for most of us shouldn’t be a problem as it’ll only be 2-3 divots on each side. He has had more issues because he has a handful of these wings and different mounting brackets.
[QUOTE=Colin;2318792]My impression was that it was designed to have double stick tape or some sort of foam between the wing and the hatch. This is how my friend said his Mugen is mounted and also something that Carlos brought up in our email conversation. I was assuming that I’d be designing the brackets to allow for some sort of protective material here.
After speaking with Carlos it is the underside of the hatch he’s worried about scratching up. I think the damage here may be unavoidable and for most of us shouldn’t be a problem as it’ll only be 2-3 divots on each side. He has had more issues because he has a handful of these wings and different mounting brackets.[/QUOTE]
Well yea i dont think there would be a problem solver for the damage on the under side, but like you said yes it will only be like 2 or 3 rivets on each side. But everytime you unmount and then mount the wing you probably wont be having the rivets hit the same spot as they did last time. im sure its the same with the mugen wings.
Yes i talked to a few authentic hiro owners and they said to use a thin gasket that 3M makes just for the top of the trunk were it meets the wing . i had the link that Erik sent me but i lost in in texts.
[QUOTE=wingbox;2318793]Well yea i dont think there would be a problem solver for the damage on the under side, but like you said yes it will only be like 2 or 3 rivets on each side. But everytime you unmount and then mount the wing you probably wont be having the rivets hit the same spot as they did last time. im sure its the same with the mugen wings.
Yes i talked to a few authentic hiro owners and they said to use a thin gasket that 3M makes just for the top of the trunk were it meets the wing . i had the link that Erik sent me but i lost in in texts.[/QUOTE]
You guys are all using the word rivets. But arnt they Allen key set screws?
This is what I’ll be doing with 3m adhesive same stuff I mounted my jdp rear visor with. And for the set screws damaging my underside of hatch seen people using some electrical tape where they make contact.
When I said rivet, I meant rivet. But after that some people did use “rivet” when that they were really talking about set screws. I think they may have been confused as to what I was talking about.
Wanted to provide an update. My wing is being shipped out today. JDP will contact each person individually for final payment once each wing is completed in the order that deposits were received.
Rivet small bracket to Wing by manufacturer, set screw the other bracket to hatch clamping hatch and Wing together. That’s how my friends pancake is mounted.
Please forgive my epically dirty car, messy garage and the stupid piece of junk furniture I found in the garage I just bought and I used for these pics before I gave it away on craigslist…
I met up with John from JDP to pick up my wing and snapped some pics for y’all. Overall the quality appears to be a A- grade by my standards - not perfect but more than adequate, especially at the price we’re paying. I did see some flaws in the finish but they were minimal and to some extent expected. A couple points I feel are worth mentioning (many of you may not care at all):
These are not full carbon fiber. I hope everyone knew this coming into it. Personally I would have preferred it to be full fiberglass ready for paint, but I digress. So, these are fiberglass with an outer layer of carbon fiber. It appears to me (I’m guessing) that there is one piece of cloth on the top and one on the bottom with a seam on the leading and trailing edges of the wing. I never would have guessed that it would have been done this way, but from a production standpoint it makes a lot of sense. What keyed me off to this was that the leading and trailing edges have no visible carbon weave and appear to be painted black (see pics below). As I stated, this is my assumption as to how it was constructed, I did not get to ask John as I did not see it fully in the light until I got it home. If anyone has any other info about this production design feel free to chime in.
To me it feels that fitment on the hatch is good, but not perfect. I suspect this will vary slightly from wing to wing as this part isn’t dependent 100% on the mold. I’d like to see pics of a couple more, maybe get some measurements from others, to see how much variance there may be. My reason for being picky here is that I want to make sure the brackets fit. The brackets I borrowed would NOT work on my wing because the “tabs” on the wing are slightly narrower than the hatch and the bracket would need to be larger.
OK, on to the pictures…
Minor flaws in the clear
You can also see some of the [what appears to be] black paint on the leading edge in this one
IMO this is the best thing about this wing - for a non GT-style wing it actually has a shape which should be somewhat aerodynamically functional
It’s hard to see, but if you look closely you can see the carbon weave on the top but on the leading edge it’s black - it’s not just the glare making it look that way
Small scratch I found on mine. My car is a track car, and ideally this would be color matched anyway so I don’t really care. But if I had a show car I’d be disappointed - although, again, at this price point it’s hard to complain.
What the underside mounting area looks like
Then I did a really quick mock up with the borrowed brackets that I have. NOTE The hatch is not closed/latched fully in these pics, just resting on the latch and weather stripping.
Pretty hard to tell from the pic, but the edge of the wing is about 1/8" inside of the edge of the trunk. This means the “channel” in the bracket needs to be deeper than the one I had
So far I think it looks pretty nice and if all are this quality then I think we’ll all be happy. But I also think it looks like shit on my car, haha! I’ll have to see what it looks like mounted, with the car clean, and from a bit of a distance to get a better view. And preferably color matched - although the hood and roof are cf right now as well so unfortunately I’m almost full panda
