***LONG AWAITED...DA Skunk2 front camber kit install***

OMG! I just contacted them again today to see what their R&D department had found out and this is what they said:

Thank you for contacting the Helpdesk at Skunk2 Racing.

We truly appreciate you bringing this to our attention. There was an assumption made on our part that was very incorrect regarding this product. You are correct that when you install that particular camber kit on a 90-93 DA Integra, there is a large amount of caster created. What we have done is sent out a technical bulletin to all of our dealers advising them that this particular part number is now only applicable to the 88-91 EF Civics.

We are now rapidly developing a front camber kit that will be specifically designed for the 90-93 DA Integras. We hope to have those ready for the Integra enthusiasts either late in 2008 or very early 2009.

With regard to the kit that you purchased, please return it to the retailer you purchased it from for a full refund. If you purchased it directly from Skunk2, let me know and I will begin making arrangements for your return.

In way of a small apology for the hassle you went through, we would like to offer you a deep discount on any other Skunk2 products we offer for the DA Integra.

If you would like to take me up on that offer give me a call at 951.808.9888 and I will get you all set up.

If you have any more questions regarding Skunk2 products or policy please let us know.

Brian Nichols
Customer Service/Warranty Manager
Skunk2 Racing
2050 5th St.
Norco, Ca

WTF?!? lol damn i ordered mines like 2-3 weeks ago from weksos =/ that really sux what they said.

Totally sux, but at least they finally admitted to having a problem. I got mine from Weksos, too. I’m going to try to make Skunk2 take mine back in its scratched up condition and send me the new one when it is available. I don’t know that Weksos is going to take them back used or at least not refund shipping, etc.

wow…like you said, at least they man’d up to their mistake. looks like DA owners will have to stick with the ingalls, or SPC camber kits if they choose to fix their camber, at least for now.

Okay… I checked weksos’ website and it states that they won’t take any returns at all after 2 weeks and even within that time period, it must not be scratched up, etc. I’m not discussing it with them until I hear back from Skunk2 (it is Skunk2’s problem, not theirs). Here was my reply to them:

Thanks for doing the research and confirming the issue with the product. As nice as it would be to get a discount on additional product, I do not have extra cash to spend at this time (I did just spend over $200 on this camber kit). The only thing that I wanted in the first place was a properly fitting camber kit. I was really excited when I got your kit and it seemed to be a high quality product, but now I am currently stuck with with a product that will not work properly with my car. I purchased it from http://www.weaksauceparts.com . According to their info on the website, they will not take any returns after 14 days and will not take them at all if they are scratched or damaged in any way. Since it is scratched up at this point from all of the putting in on and taking it off of my car and it has been over 14 days since I purchased it… it looks like I am out $200. I mean, I would like to exchange it for the correct product if it existed… Can I exchange it for the correct one when it comes out? Or can you figure our a way for me to return the Civic one so that I can purchase the Integra one when it comes out? I do want the corrected Integra version as soon as it comes out.

Then the more I thought about it, the more I felt the need to say a bit more. So, I added this message:

Another aspect of the whole situation that has not even been addressed is the 3 installations and 3 alignments on my part (correct installation of the Skunk2 arms followed by alignment, reverse installation of the Skunk2 followed by alignment, and reinstallation of the original arms followed by alignment). Do you even realize how much shop labor is these days? Do you know how much three alignments cost? Fortunately, I went to school for and got a degree in automotive and motorcycle mechanics, and my brother works at a dealership. So, I didn’t have any money out of pocket, but that was a heck of a lot of wasted time spent on both our parts due to a company misrepresenting their product. There was also some nasty wear on my tires (Goodyear Eagle F1’s) due to the whole process occuring over the past 2 weeks and the car being my only form of transportation to get to and from work and college.

Yet another aspect of this situation is the fact that a customer shouldn’t ever be in position of unknowingly doing the R&D on a retail product. I mean, seriously… I’m a pretty driver, but even for me it was quite difficult to keep the car on the road at times with the extreme amounts of caster that I experienced. I’m currently majoring in Business Administration and one of the first things I learned about is ethics and social responsibility. Labeling a product for anything other than its original designed purpose without doing some research beforehand is a good way to get some people killed (and get sued).

With all of that having been said, I think you should understand my perspective a little better.
Me: “I have a problem… I think your company screwed up.”
Skunk2: “Umm… let me check.”
Me: “Did you check yet?”
Skink2: “Oops… you were right. Thanks. Good luck getting your money back. Want to spend some more money with us? We’ll give you a good deal. We might have the correct product out for you sometime in the future.”

P.S. 90-93 DA Integra still appears in the list of applications and the description of the product on your website.

(I was trying not to call names or make unreasonable demands, yet)

I just looked up their web site. They are still being advertised DA camber kits. This all sucks. :mad: Now what do I with my camber kit? :bang: Guess I’ll wait till I get another EF and use them then.

Yeah I bought mines from weksos too and after reading that last night I emailed them to ask if I can return them since they are still brand new lol haven’t gotten a chance to put them on yet.

This is what they said in response to my last message(s) (obviously ignored my second one… although, I kind of expected that):

Thank you for contacting the Helpdesk at Skunk2 Racing.

You can certainly exchange that camber kit for the Integra one just as soon as they are ready. If you would prefer to return the product for a refund in the meantime, I recommend actually contacting weaksauce racing and explaining your situation. I believe that given the circumstances they should have no problem with taking those arms back.

You can inform them that you have talked to me and that there will be no problems with making that return. If need be you can have them call me directly for clarification.

If you have any more questions regarding Skunk2 products or policy please let us know.

Brian Nichols
Customer Service/Warranty Manager
Skunk2 Racing
2050 5th St.
Norco, Ca

Oh, I did just email weksos, too.

damn and i was just about to order these, good thing i didnt,

Me to. And i’m glad i didn’t

Whats up guys,

I received some e-mails regarding this problem and I will be contacting Skunk2 for additional information immediately.

It is unfortunate that we as a shop were as much misinformed as all of you were. I want to assure all of you that we would never intend to falsely advertise products, our goal here is to educated and provide the most satisfying shopping experience for all of our customers.

As far as returns go, we do regulate terms & conditions cited on our website. HOWEVER, under such circumstances, we would address your problems and concerns individually and hopefully resolve them immediately!

For those who have e-mailed us, you will be receiving an e-mail back from us by the end of today. We’re here to help! :slight_smile:

UNFREAKIN’ REAL!!! I’m glad I didn’t start this process yet. My new TB showed up and I decided to install that instead and ran out of daylight yesterday. No, that didn’t take all day…you know what it’s like having friends over talking cars, the day just seems to disappear. Anyway, I can’t believe Skunk2 isn’t going to offer a refund to clients that have gone through getting the alignment and labor and have proof of install. Let alone the fact the damage to the car, worn tires and on and on…Phat, I greatly appreciate the research and time you’ve spent on this issue. It has certainly saved a lot of extra headaches for all of us on here. Hats off!:up: By the way, my apologies for past responses regarding other issues with your car. Definitely makes one feel like an ass…

All I have to say is, this is real wack. There is no reason that customers should have to perform R&D for a company as big as Skunk, especially when they claim to do it! My new suspension is going on next week, and I would of definitely liked to put these on. What a killjoy. Ingalls is just right up the street, and I know they do their homework, so it looks like I’ll HAVE to call them up. I don’t really have money to be pissing away on multiple alignments right now, so it’s looking like Skunk is about to lose a customer…I’m going to send an email to them with these pictures later, and I’ll let you guys know what they say as well. Probably will try to get me to buy a DA set at discount too :angel:. And Weksauce, you guys did your jobs and sold the kits like hotcakes (with awesome service!), definitely not your fault it was misrepresented to you as well.

:wtf: I can not even belive what I have been reading here.

So can anyone that dosn’t have such an extream drop as phatcar does, post some post there caster settings?

I personaly am not going to run these, just not that low and Im currius if its going to have the same results to such an extream degree or If I should find another option and chalk these up as a loss.

I have to say, I also am extreamly disapointed in skunk 2 as a company. It makes you wonder how much R & D they realy do for there products:(

Blkack, I thought of the same thing and am curious because there are other Teg owners on here claiming that they haven’t had any issues. I think I may go ahead and try them and see what the outcome is. I have Skunk2 2.5" drop springs with Tokico “Blues”. I’m doing this for curiosity. If it works, I may just leave it alone but I will certainly post the outcome. I’ll scan the before and after readings as well. Wish me luck!?! Another reason for me attempting this is because I bought this set brand new from a guy on craigslist for $100. So I’m kinda screwed…:argh: plus I get the alignments for free at the Honda dealership. So it’s just a little wasted time if it doesn’t work and I’ll try to recoop some of the money by selling them to a Civic guy.

I want to know how many people have them and dont have a problem cause i know there out there. Plus a little more caster isnt going do be a big deal nor would make driving the car rediculous i added more caster to my last cat and it drov just fine. Now alot more caster would make it hard to turn but to drive eh not so much.

It affects driving and turning. I guess you might not notice as much if you live in an area with flat roads laid out on a grid, but if you actually drive the car regularly up and down hills and around curves and hit bumps in the road, you should be able to tell quite a bit of difference. Difficulty in turning and jerking the wheel when hitting a bump are common issues with excessive caster. I also found that my car tended to track on any groove in the road that it could find. You don’t have to believe anything I say, you are welcome to actually try stuff out like me and find out for yourself. And no one with “normal” caster would post their specs for me, and I don’t believe they were +1 deg.

Mine are on their way back to weksos. If you purchased a set from them or any other official dealer, I would suggest contacting them about a return and waiting for an actual DA design to come out. The corrected version should technically correct more camber as well due to the fact that the balljoint should adjust straight out instead of at an angle (my SPC balljoints are supposed to correct 3.5 deg of camber and they correct almost a full deg more than the EF Skunk2’s that are supposed to correct 3 deg). Unless Skunk2 is sending me a free set, I probably won’t be trying them out (or anything else from them). I was rather skeptical about Skunk2 in the first place, and unfortunately, they proved me right.

wow i’m shocked… i would have thought way better of skunk2… wow… i don’t even know of another kit to go with … i’ve just ordered a set of D2 full coilovers and i’m gonna need a camber kit cause i don’t wanna eat away my brand new set of tires… anyone with some suggestions? i know i’ve seen the revo kits… but are they any good??? anyone have them that can vouch for em? Thanks

I hadn’t planned on getting an alignment anytime soon, but if I can find some time, I may do it just for the sake of this thread. I didn’t get a printout of my last one, so I can’t say anything except my caster was in spec.

I will say that phatcar’s setup differs in two key ways from mine - his car is lower, and he has less camber. I’m running -2 degrees in the front. Both of those changes mean that my upper ball joints really didn’t have to move a whole lot from stock… with stock control arms, I’d probably be about -3 degrees at my height. From the sound of things, phatcar is using the adjustability way more than I am.