http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=296252
my blood pressure went through the roof after reading that…now my jaw is clenched and my eyes are squenting…I did not need the added stress…I want to get a honda-tech account just to piss on those VTEC bigots…
“In a race its all about the HP…I don’t care what anyone says about torque or whatever theory they have.”
dear ralph this guy is an idiot
edit: I just realized who said this, Jeff at Import Builders…what a chode. that shop went to **** when charles left
screw it…I’m getting a honda-tech account
Dont do it to them! Its stress enuff dealing with the @ssholes on here. I can see that you’ll have your work cut out for you at Honda-tech.
What we have to understand is that OUR way is NOT always the BEST way. Ls/Turbo and VTEC/Turbo have their advantages/disadvantages, as we know. When people get into pi$$ing contests, it does nothing but put people on the defensive and the, “your setup $ucks and mine is the best” attitude takes over.
BTW:The Honda-tech FI forum is patrolled by some of the most knowledgeable and proven racers around. Not just bench racers, but guys with proven records of building FAST cars. I would definately have my ducks in a row before I went there throwing the :bs:
I am the best pisser in the world and I can throw BS pretty far 
I couldn’t care less if anyone believes what I have to say, or even listens to me, especially Jeff (he proved to me long-ago that he was an idiot). But I for sure am going to say my piece so that other people realize there is more to the world than vtec power. I’m not saying that my setup is the best, but I’m also not going to say that vtec, or LS/vtec is the best, that would just compromise my position. What setup is best is for the reader to decide. But I will not be shut up by the vtec gestapo.
Peace in the valley brother 
Originally posted by Haberdasher
Jeff at Import Builders…what a chode. that shop went to **** when charles left
u referring 2 dr. charles madrid?
Originally posted by xjdm94x
u referring 2 dr. charles madrid?
yup…he did a lot of the work on the install of my turbo, the tuning too…he’s great guy 
I hear he’s at Area 51 now…I’ll have to visit him sometime
yup he is now w/ area 51… he built our eg6 in my team
Dude… those people said some really really stupid things. I totally agree w/ Dave that vtec is not king, and i personally think not king for turbo.
More torque from the b18 or b20 will result in quicker spool times, and longer geared trannies will help you stay in that boost longer. No valve overlap from the vtec lobe kicking… Straight boosted power. Whatever. Thats just my opinion.
Both can be great when they are setup properly…
I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
Originally posted by IdntGlwIglisten
[B]Dude… those people said some really really stupid things. I totally agree w/ Dave that vtec is not king, and i personally think not king for turbo.
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I’m not agreeing with anyone in that post. What I’m talking about is flaming one or the other and leading the conversation into a “Mine is better” argument -where this post is slowly going.
Man, I dont know what to say cause I think I’ll just get flamed :tsk:
Interesting comments. But a B16 being better?
Also, how much of a difference in the sleeves is there between the B20 and the B18?
I’ve heard some people on HT have problems with the b20 sleeves under conditions which a b18 would have been fine. I guess beccause they are thinner.
HAHA I love Honda-Tec…But the whole Vtec/turbo nonVtec/turbo thing is silly…
don’t they know that all the fastest Japanese race cars don’t even use VTEC? What do you think the function of the VTEC KILLER CAMS are for?
I would go with nonVtec/turbo because it’s true about the Overlap with Vtec, it basically just gets in the way, Mike or Mark I forget (2 years ago) told me that when I went to Hi-Tec to get a header made for my ex-ladees ITR. :burnout:
Originally posted by VR-BottleFedTeg
[B]HAHA I love Honda-Tec…But the whole Vtec/turbo nonVtec/turbo thing is silly…
don’t they know that all the fastest Japanese race cars don’t even use VTEC? What do you think the function of the VTEC KILLER CAMS are for?
I would go with nonVtec/turbo because it’s true about the Overlap with Vtec, it basically just gets in the way, Mike or Mark I forget (2 years ago) told me that when I went to Hi-Tec to get a header made for my ex-ladees ITR. :burnout: [/B]
Race Cars use vtec motors, they dont disable the vtec. They lock the cams in highrpm vtec cause they always in high-rpm anyways.
Vtec killer cams run only on high-rpm and the low-rpm vtec lobes are gone making it lighter for higher rpms.
Originally posted by Ray
Race Cars use vtec motors, they dont disable the vtec. They lock the cams in highrpm vtec cause they always in high-rpm anyways.
Vtec killer cams run only on high-rpm and the low-rpm vtec lobes are gone making it lighter for higher rpms.
Race Cars? You mean Auto-X cars basically…those cars lock their Vtec in HighRPM,
and you are correct about the VTEC killers…they do however eliminate the VTEC function…
you just repeated what i said. :think:
You repeated what I said on my first post :read:
BAHAAHA funny guy above! Yeah stuff going less displacement with the b16a I have seen arguments with the B18c Vs B18b now there’s a decent argument.